Jury Villa? I Hardly Know Her.. (w/ Mark Warnock)

Hide your dads folks, Jury Villa’s mayor and Survivor’s sexiest bald man Mark Warnock is FINALLY on the cringe. Sam and Mark kiki all things Jury Villa, behind the scenes tea from Redemption and MORE. Nothing is off limits in this cute catch-up. Who does Mark prefer, Golden God or JLP? Did Mark lead a coup against production? Find out on this silly little episode.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

This podcast was produced on the land of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

Welcome to Australia!

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Someone who is such a connoisseur of reality television. The content is hideous.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

So sorry about this. Oh my god.

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It's the Diplomat Daddy, Mayor of Jury Villa, and my favourite gay water polo team member. It's Mark Warnock! Finally, welcome to the Gringes Real.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

I've been holding back, Sam. I've been keeping you on each.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

You've been scared of how strong this connection would be.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

I know. I'm already blushing.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

You've been fighting the temptation. But I finally convinced you. Well, Keely convinced you to come on.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Keely did. Keely, Keeley gave me some incense that I'm burning in her honour, and she got in my ear and she was like, Mark, everyone wants you to go on the cringe. And Sam keeps dangling that carrot in front of your face. And I'm like, don't tell me with a good time, so finally. Well, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

So obviously she had fun then. She had a good time. Of course. No. She had a fun. Yeah. I do love our girl.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Oh, Keely. That's great. She's there aren't too many Survivor people in Bruzi. Well, that's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

You're both Brisbane.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Oh my god, it's so good. Um, not that I wouldn't want to be with the Riff Raff in Melbourne or Sydney.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Who else is in there? Is Simon in Brisbane?

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Simon's in Brisbane. Um, Keeley's in Brisbane, Zara is in Brisbane, Baden's in Brisbane from like way back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

He was the Eurovision nerd, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Uh he's now hit he's now like works for the bomb, like the weather. So if you're like, yeah, when the cyclone's coming, I'm like texting Baden. I'm like, hey, don't worry about the episode. I need to.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Well I remember from his season was there was like some oh, what was it? There was like an endurance challenge or something, and he like recited every oh right.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Right, right. Look, don't test me on it because Baden's a good friend.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Oh my god, now don't. Yeah, this is this is the bit where I out myself as like the worst fan of this show. Like I love it. But as soon as it finishes, it all exits.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Mate, that's how it should happen. My ear. That's how it should happen. People get too obsessed with this show, and I'm like, yeah, it's just a TV show, guys. We're just going out there and have a bit of fun. So yeah, I love the I love the cringe.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Um, thank you very much. Uh, how are you going? You know, it's been a few weeks since Redemption has redemptioned.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

How are you going? And I asked both um Carolyn and Keely this. I'm gonna ask you as well. Have you recovered from the reunion after party?

SPEAKER_00 2:47

My wife Sass got knocked out for a week. She got a bug and she was absolutely taken out. Yeah, so it was um it was big. And I'm like, I'm old now, Sam, and I don't stay out late. And so to be out late at night was like a little bit of a um a little bit of fun.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Look, I had the last I've seen you party with the best of them.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

I had the best time. Um, it was so much fun because obviously I didn't have that the first time round. So to go back and meet all the people that I blindsided and voted off was um was was uh I was a little bit worried, but it was all fine in the end, which was good.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

It was dribbula. You were like, well, thanks for coming, thanks, Dave, for coming and hosting for chairing the meeting for us.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Oh, I know, and in the crowd, I had like all of my people were in like the third row. So I look out and like I'm getting asked all the questions, and I look out, and there's like my brother, my wife, like my friends from non-Survivor Land, and then all of my survivor crews lined up. And so, yeah, I was like, I did try and make it up.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Karen and I were plotting a plan for me to um jet ski in and crash the whole thing. But I'm here!

SPEAKER_00 4:01

The cringe is real. No, that would have been yeah, no, David had that up more.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

I'm actually shocked and a little bit disappointed that they didn't really cut to the alum section. I was very one shot of Pauli's fucking mustache.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

I was trying to get the camera on them. I'm like shouting out to the crowd. I'm like, hey, here's all my friends, the people that actually like me. And um, and then I was, yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

I tried to- I guess it wasn't their time, it was your time.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yeah, it was it was a lot of mark time as well, which was um overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

You your assignment was screen time and well done.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Thank you. I mean, it's so funny. Like, so we gotta I gotta get this off my chest, right? So Annabel is the pot, Annabelle. So Annabelle introduced us. Oh my god, she did, she did. Oh my god. So it was so funny because I didn't tell many people, I didn't have much notice to go like before going out again. But I told Annabelle and Karen, they were like the like the bad bishes, the OG badbishes. And they kept it tight, which was good.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Oh my god, but I knew a good job because you were being all like, oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

You don't know why I kept you don't know why, Sam. You don't know, you don't know me. Um, but Annabelle's like, Mark, you know, just go out there and be like the crazy Mark that you are when we do outrageous podcasts together. Like we used to podcast about US Survivor and do like like create double dates or blind dates for the players, and it was completely outrageous and like inappropriate, and then we would tag them, I would tag them all on Instagram as I posted it, and like some of them were like, Can you leave me the fuck alone? And some of them were like, Oh, we love this.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

It's like fan fiction over on babes, and I'm so here for it.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Yeah, and so Annabelle was like, just go out there and like make babes-related content, and so then I took it as a challenge to like try and make as many Annabelle and Karen related references in the show, and they actually got into the edit. They got into the edit. What's it? So my favorite, oh my god, my favorite one. So Annabelle, whenever she podcasts, always says, you in her beautiful British accent, oh the traders, their goose is cooked. And she says it all the time, and then I would call her out on it on the podcast. I'm like, Annabelle, let me guess, was their goose is cooked.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

But it's more like their goose is cooked.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Yeah, yeah, you can do it much better than me. So I was like, that was assignment number one. Get your goose is cooked on the show. Karen also had this idea.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

John Penn would love that, like, that's perfect promo fodder. Oh, he's cooked the goose.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

But like is getting cooked this week. I'm not talking about Master Chef. Oh, like they love that shit.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Yeah, I knew it would play well, but like secretly, I all I want to do is send out little like love letters to um Annabelle. And then Karen had one where she was like, Mark needs like Dennis Rodman needs that when he played for the Bulls, he had to go, he had to go to Vegas.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

That was what I should have won my Dennis Rodman show.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Oh, there you go, there you go. I'm a big man. So oh that yeah, so Karen was like, Rodman has to go to Vegas. That's Mark has to go play Survivor, and so then she was like telling me, and then 96 Bulls became a thing, and the whole triangle offense was Karen was like, I think you should try and make a triangle offense as an alliance name, and I did.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

So it was only one of 7,000 alliance names this season, so well done. I had to keep throwing shit at the wall, mate. I was like, what?

SPEAKER_00 7:51

Yeah, I mean, I mean head office did a lot of heavy lifting, um, so yeah, but um, but yeah, so pretty much my entire game plan this time was to like I'm never gonna I'm never gonna win. No one's ever gonna let this guy win.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Don't with that attitude, you know, Mark.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Come on. Yeah, I wore a nice blazer, but no one's gonna award anyone wearing a blazer and then well and then that goose rich rocks up on the blazer mock you. I love that they included that on day one. I'm like, I thought that was my thing. And like I like I was that was cute. I was feeling it.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

There's a lot of clothing drama this season. A lot of like, oh, there was like if you're wearing like the clothing of the deceased, what does that mean? Like wearing someone else's clothing that's there, and then the maggot-infested clothing. It was oh, what was going on with wardrobe?

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Maybe that's why Simon only wore his budgies because he just didn't want to.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

No, that was because like you were performing for Annabelle, he was performing for me. So our little thing. I think he was. I think he was.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Man, this has got to get on the cringe. This is watch this, watch this shot in the sunrise.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

I just got a message from Ben because I reposted that photo of him and Simon together in their budgies, and I was like, now kiss. And he wrote back, uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but like 80% of people have responded with that same sentiment. And I was like, the original. Unoriginal, yes, but and I was like, Well, you've you've heard the people.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

I thought Ben and I were gonna kiss. We'll get to that later.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

We will we will when we get into the villa. But um, before that, I want to talk to you about uh other shit you're watching. Which I pardon the panda, I tapped out of alone some time ago. Is it what season are we up to?

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Oh, like it's a fair question because it's pretty it's a it's a random choice, I know.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

No, it's a good one. I've it's a that's a quality show.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

I I I like it. The the reason is is when you're on Survivor Australia and then you are nonstop yapping on TV. Um my wife is just like, can we do something else, please? And uh and she really likes watching uh people build shelters on a loan, and she works a tough job, so I was like, Yeah, okay, whatever you want.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

And so, like my husband loves it as well. Like it's a calming, calming. I'm not so calm watching it.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

I'm like, ah you're like catch more fish, stop hunting the demons.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

They're like starving and like vulnerable out there.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

You've got feelings, you've got feelings, Sam. We're just like, ha ha, you suck, you can't catch fish again. Ha ha. No, um, no, so it's calming, it's relaxing. Um, so yeah, I'm watching for that. Um it's it's actually an old US season where they're in Saskatchewan. And the main reason we chose that one is because my wife's name is Sass. Oh, yeah, it's a good one. So it's cool.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

Are you do you fuck with the Australian Alone? Because that is an example of an of a uh Australian network taking a format and like doing a really good job with it, I think.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, um Annabelle and I have also covered uh Alone uh on podcasting and we just came up with nicknames for all of the players, which was really fun. Smooth Rock Susan was my favorite.

unknown 11:16

Stonker guy.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

One lady was making love to a rock. Uh a rock reminded her of her husband, and it was Smooth Rock Susan Smooth Rock Susan, I think, that's my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

So um it's so fun. Have you been on like the Alone Reddit? And it's like the American fans hate the Australian one because they're like, oh, it's soft. Soft. Oh, they don't let them strangle a platypus. Like, do you guys realize like these are fucking like endangered species? Everyone's gonna oh they can't even kill a wallaby and yeah, put the black. They've got no free speech down there. Oh, what's all this like acknowledgement of country they're doing us? Come on.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Sam, I hate Reddit. I hate Reddit so much. I hate it, I hate it on Survivor, I hate it on any show.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Okay, will I stop going on that? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Absolutely not as well. But yeah, but I actually this time around on Survivor, I loved, I loved getting last time. I was like, I got a bit like shirdy.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I'm like, fucking, why don't they understand my game?

SPEAKER_00 12:10

This time I'm like, bring it, bitches, bring it.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Are you watching 50 or are you na made? Fuck that. Fuck that. Mark, you are the best. Thank you. Because I don't want to have to talk about it. And no, don't we won't move straight along.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Oh my god. Um, I've got to ask because you are one of few people that have uh lived in both eras of Australian Survivor. I love this question. Who'd you rather GG or JLP?

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Survivor Daddy all day. I said it out there, I said it after the show, I said it to Survivor Daddy's face. Um if JLP ever met me, I'd say you're great too.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

But um, like JLP.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

No, look like look, JLP's good, but David is he's huge. He's fucking huge.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

And when you're that big, I saw him recently and I was like to climb or to cuddle.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Yeah, he's big, he's hot, he's funny as fuck, and he knows because he's played in one, he's in the cult. Like he's the cult leader now, essentially. And when he is the cult leader, he speaks especially for the newbies, he looked at them in the eyes and was like, This is the time to play hard, blah blah blah. And then they it got the juices flowing for those newbies, it got it from flowing for all of us, really. But I really liked how he could like really understand where you were coming from and that final challenge, the way he was there, it was so good. Um, and he was super funny and off the cuff funny, whereas JLP pretty much stuck to the script. Whereas, like what I loved they did what is a couple of little fun little bits where um I'll tell you one in tribal council in particular, someone will say something, and you could like all of us sicko's will like in our head, like make the rude joke in our head, but most of the time that voice in our head says, You probably shouldn't say that out loud. David would David would complete the joke, and we would all be like, and then he would be like, Okay, let's roll that again. And it was just like it was so funny. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

So there was one they're just saying what everyone was thinking, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

So there was one bit where Sally was like, uh, um uh tonight I'm gonna like be loyal and I'm gonna be a good little girl. Uh and who's gonna be a good little girl? Me, Sally. And we're all just like laughing because she's then this like good little girl thing became a bit, and I'm like, oh, like the cart. But then Sally needed that. Sally did, justice to Sally. And then um David goes to he's like, All right, and normal he would say, like, look, uh, it's time to vote. And he goes, It's time to find out who's been a good little girl. Shut up, no, it was so good, and it was just the timing, and looked at it all like it was so funny, it was so fucking like it was so good.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

I would have died if I was I was I was dead. I was dead. Oh little girl, yeah. Who's let's find out who's gonna be a girlfriend. Who's gonna be America's next top uh little girl? That's imagine the Reddit phone on that. Oh little girl. The American fans would freak out.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

The Christian right would have been like up in arms.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Like these Australians are so unserious. Um, did you make any shit up to the newbies, uh Simon? Like uh he was like, Oh, you can totally just like piff around your rocks or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

I reckon that they would have made Simon pick two rocks. If I was producer, I'm like Simon, round two buddy.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Um did you make any shit up to the newbies?

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Like not make shit up, but one thing that got me in a little bit of trouble, um, and I feel I can feel liberated now, Sam, because I don't want to play again, is um knowing how production works. Like I would because instead of a returnee versus newbies theme, I want a little bit of like us versus production.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

And so sometimes I would be like Survivor Guards.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

The Survivor Guards. So sometimes I would be like, oh, this is bullshit, like this has never happened before, or like blah blah blah. And so sometimes I would like make shit up about like what production wouldn't and wouldn't let us do. And I tried stirring up a bit because um, yeah, and there was one like we had a tar we won a tarp at the Baron Beach, but then we ended up at the the Bounty Beach for merch. And I was like, um, where's our tarp? We won that tarp. And then I was like, okay, can everyone go and ask production for the tarp? And like kick up a big stink, and everyone was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And production was like, Mark, you need to fucking stop this now. Like, please stop creating a civil war on the beach. Sorry, so yeah, yeah, it's a bit of that, it was a bit more of that, yeah. Um, but the rules I definitely told Keely that you can break the rules. Um, like I was like, don't like not bakedables, but like push the rules, like in challenges and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

You better make a fucking TV show, and like it was very clear to me who understood that aside. Yeah, and who Keely's like peeling off boxes, was the one of the group, and I think this is why she got lumped in with you guys accidentally is because it was like like returning Keely because she was doing the bits like you guys were. She seemed really comfortable on camera.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Yeah, yeah, she was.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

And she was giving us uh bits and uh alliance names and all the stuff, which for someone that uh claims to have not watched much of the show, I was like, you understand this pretty well. Not that it's that hard to figure out, but she lent in hard.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, like you know, she's a goodie two shoes in a normal bay life, so she's out there being like, This is my time to fuck shit up. And she did. So did Faith, actually. Faith was pretty good at that too. So yeah, the girl is Team Dave, Survivor Daddy, all the way, which lovely JLP.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

I actually thought you were gonna be far more diplomatic about that answer.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

So nah nah.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Um I asked I asked Brooke as well. I was like, what do you reckon, Brooke? And she was like, But they're mates, right? Like she was team JLP. She but like I think because JLP was there on day one and they had like the whole thing. And she was on the first season, wasn't she?

SPEAKER_01 18:33

And then Simon would want to she gives the media trained answers that 10 want, that everyone's great, not like you mark out here pissing on JLP's grave.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

My favorite bit about JLP was when um when Sass came out in Titan Suite Rebels, and I was like, here's JLP, and I think Sass was more interested in seeing JLP than she was me. She was like, Oh yeah, Mark, you've lost a lot of weight, but um here for JLP. I was like, babe, cheer me on!

SPEAKER_01 19:04

And hang on, you said before you wouldn't do it again, you don't want to get your hundred days, like Sadie Boy, Simon, with his hundred?

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Mate, wasn't that adorable?

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Even his hundred.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

I mean, like when Brooke, when Brooke got a hundred days, everyone was like, Woohoo!

SPEAKER_01 19:24

True, true.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

I think it was a bit more like, oh I think the thing for Simon was that um George got 99 and then Simon got 100. True. And I think that's those two have a thing that's we got to watch Australia V World in um in the lockdown, apart from the function. I love this that you got that. That would have been a fun thing, that would have gotten you so like jazzed for I was like, if fucking because Kirby was the first but back from our season and she smashed it, and I'm like, alright, gotta represent, gotta represent my uh my season. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Excited to see Kirby on. Oh, am I ever?

SPEAKER_00 20:00

I cannot wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually keen for that. There'll be a nice break as well. Like, I think there's got Master Chef on now, and then like we can like just chill it a little bit, and then I can't wait. And I'm actually I what's her name? Shane Gould. I kind of want to see Shane Gould.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Oh, yeah, it's it's the most random cast ever put together, ever. Like, what the fuck? But I'm kind of here for it.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah, I think I'd rather see Keely play. I want to see Keely on trade. Everyone's like, Keely needs to come back for Survivor. I actually wanted to see her. I want to see her on trade.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

You need to do traders. And she was like, uh, I'm like, no, no, no. Yeah, you would be perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect. And they love people with professions like that because it's like as a fraud specialist, I can spot a fake.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

It's like it writes itself, and also she's got enough time in the next year or so till they film the next season to practice blinking as well.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Um, it's better if you don't blink on that.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

But she needs to be able to turn it on. Oh, true. Like she has to have a switch, which's like, okay, now's blinking time, and then there's non-blinking time. Love you, Keely.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

Love you. Actually, Annabelle and I did an episode um when they announced the cast of the Traders High. Which was ages ago. Well, I thought I put that out because I was like, surely that'll drop pretty soon. Oh, you like it.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

You went a bit too early, Sam. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Well, no, but it was it was fresh at the time.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

At the time put the cast out.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

And Annabelle was all like, this is gonna be disastrous. And I choose to believe that it will be, yes, a chaotic season, but I think it's gonna be enjoyable to watch.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Look, I think it's gonna be good, but then again, I never question Annabelle's wisdom. That's just like like a motto for life number one. No. Annabelle's usually right, especially when it's about the traders.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

About the traders, yeah, exactly. Um, let's talk about Judy Villa.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Oh, yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Firstly, how mad are you at Nick Ardancer and Shawnee for Robbing us of Jury Villa the TV show. The Roadsides of Jury Villa.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

I think Paulie may have killed it from last season.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

See, if anything, I thought Paulie enhanced the experience.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Oh, I agree, but um yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Like maybe nah, she she took it too far.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

I think Jury Villa was better than the season. Like I was watching from the Jury Villa, but uh it was definitely I mean like Nick and Shawnee have contributed to the greatness of the show to keep it on air. I think it's just a budgeting thing, which is the boring answer.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

Yeah, no, I suspected that when it was Zoom calls.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

I was like, oh, ooh, yeah. And I suppose like Australia V World, they like bloody flew Nick out there to Samoa with the dropy buffs guys. Yeah, with the droppy buffs, yeah. And then this year they're like, oh yeah, love Sean. You know, I got I was in the running for that.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Ah yeah, yeah, yeah. But Nick Nick's like Nick's like Nick was great, and absolutely and Shawnee killed Jerry's out. It was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

It was really I wasn't expecting them to be so direct.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

But they were like those Shawnee was rivaling my set circles.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

I was like, whoa. Were you on Speed dial? They were like, Shawnee's like, I need to gauge I need to gauge is this too much?

SPEAKER_01 23:26

She went there. No, it was really good. I just thought they would get both even.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Oh, I know, yeah. Look, I got there and I was expecting a feast, and instead I got a um cold bowl of bad spaghetti in the microphone. Hang on, hang on.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is this because there were no cameras rolling? So they were like, No, no, no, about it.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

No, so in a nutshell, yeah, Titans V Rebels, you go to like the fancy hotel where they have the banquet, Valerie's there putting the lay on me, I'm getting like kisses on the cheeks. Woohoohoo. Um, it helps when you're the last one on the jury as well. So yeah, so like there was like one site where all like the money and the food was, and then you go back to like the motel to sleep. Whereas this time we didn't like we went straight past go, we missed the banquet hotel, and we went straight to the the motel, which is where all that just becomes. So when I showed up there, I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, okay. Uh we're here. Cold spaghetti.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

I'm sure still would have been great after eating. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. Like it was not a suckling pig. It's no suckling pig.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

It's no, you know, sashimi and all of that good stuff. Um, but yeah, and then obviously it was filmed like on an iPhone.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Jammer from social media is there.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Like shout out to Tom, he was great. But no, so uh oh, love Tom. Um, but yeah, no, so I arrived and I was like, okay, yeah, obviously things are scaled back. Um and actually, but what we we did film content for every single jury member as they arrived. Yeah, they've only shown it on social media like when Brooke came in and stuff, but like for every single person we filmed stuff.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Oh, they showed a bit, didn't they? I recall seeing like a Ben one.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Oh, but that's them being like doing the same old boring thing, being like, oh my god, see another person flop over like a bit of fucking shampoo. I'm gonna I'm like, okay, we've done this, it's been done, it's been done. Um so yeah, we did the we did the little like fridge reveal, and then we but but then we did like a when Blanche came in, it was like me and Blanche just chatting away. So we did all that. Yeah, let's start.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

So Blanche comes in first, Blanche and her balltoms walk in. She was a fucking star. I loved Blanche this season. I thought she was so good.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

I love Blanche. The number of people that messaged me when Blanche got eliminated to say, oh my god, you're gonna be on the jury for two weeks with Blanche. There was a very significant number of people. I like Blanche's hilarious because she's got so many good stories and she will tell them to you.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

Um, but the thing with Blanche is And she held her jury sas till the end, which was great because we didn't get a huge amount of it.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Mate, we're at the reunion. She was still still telling Ben and Cameron why the fuck did you fight? Um, so there was a lot. So Blanche came in, and to be honest, because that's the one where Keely and Brooke play their like their the the idol heist. And I had no idea who voted for Blanche. I'm just like, oh wow, crazy. And Blanche comes in and like her head is like spinning. She pissed, pissed, so pissed. But she was really, she was like, if it's if it's Caleb or Cameron or Sally that voted me off, they're like, they're dead to me, they're dead to me. And I was like, and I was like, I think it was them. Like honestly, I had no idea. Who else? Like, come on. Oh, and so she was like, actually, I I I actually felt for her pretty because I was like, there's a certain level of like anger where you're like, okay, this is funny, but then like for poor upland, she like the next day she was like not happy, and so then I was like, oh, you know, like we had to like we had to like calm down a little bit, and then I think eventually they even like told her uh at some point like who voted for her because I think she was about to like pick up those torches and light them all on fire at the next tribal council if she didn't get answers. Uh yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Well, the rules were a little flexible on uh speaking at tribal. Really? I didn't talk. Wasn't but now that I know that um GG was out there saying little girl, I'm like, I can see how that environment would have lent itself to.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

I think that was like one of that was one of the pleasures of being the mayor of Dury Villa and being a returnee is that I know I'm mic'd up.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

And I know that then relaxing, mate.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

I only just learned what that word meant. I I knew that I'm mic'd up, and they're like, don't talk too much and don't like wink at the players and don't interact. But then like just like dropping little like oh fuck no, or like, oh go get them, or like all that little She said what? She said what and then once once it became like the culture of the jury, and it didn't take much encouraging. Blanche did not require much encouragement. She was like, that brick.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Amazing, amazing. Then Ben joined you next. Oh, hot of one one thing, but Blanche.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

You're gonna I've kept this one for you, Sam. Um so I think it's I can't remember which one it is, but Blanche is wearing like a brown, like very tight top on the jury. I think it might be her first or second one. And you're mic'd up, and the camera, and I'm in a little muddy tent.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Like it's you're mic'd up, even though you're not supposed to say anything.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Yeah, I know. It's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

It's very strange.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

I know what they actually want, you know?

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Yeah, uh they want you to go, oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Um, but so I'm in the tent. I hope she doesn't mind me telling this, and the mic guy, the the audio guys are like, all right, Mark, you're wearing like a shirt, easy, like wire goes in, no worries. And they look, they're all blokes. They look at Blanche and they go, Yeah, Dala, gonna have to like pop that top off um so we can like get the little wire through. And there was no other way to do it apart from her absolutely taking a top off. And then this awkward, like sweaty 29-year-old mustache-y, I mean, nothing wrong with mustache, but there was just he was wearing a mustache, and then he had to awkwardly put the mic somewhere uh it was and then and then they had to put it back on, and then they were like, Mark, you have to do the um the mic check with Blanche, and essentially I had to check that like there wasn't a mic like popping out somewhere, and so she my Blanche would be like, Mark, mic check! And I'm like it was just really I found that really funny.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Every jury, every um tribal after that, yeah, she was like she really liked that mustache boy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Uh anyway, that's uh that's that's blind. So good.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Then Ben was next, Jen. So he joined you. Was he how on a scale of one to a thousand? How devo was he?

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Uh Ben, Ben's one of those guys that's just like because he's played sport, he's always like, oh, you know, like good game, you know, you win some, you lose more.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Sportsmanship is still alive, that's nice.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Yeah, yeah. So very um, very, very like took it on the chin. But the thing with Ben is Ben and I were so in our little motel, there's like a little uh what's it called, like um building with two rooms and one shared bathroom. So Ben was my like my roomie at the first boat. And so I had the absolute pleasure and torture of living with Ben. And Ben, like the dude, I think he said it himself, he's got raging ADHD, so there's just like fucking shit everywhere. And I'm like, and I'm like, I've got two weeks in this place, so I need to just like survive. And Ben's like, and he's like chugging chocolate, and there's clothes everywhere, and like all the air conditioners on, and like all the doors are open.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

And I we did see a bit of that on the show, him kind of being a little erratic.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Yeah, no, but he was um but the thing with Ben is like he's super as we mentioned, he's super sexy, and there's a photo I put it out of I put it on my Instagram of me and Ben like we're like giggling in a bed. My wife, I don't know if you've listened to Annabelle cover the Rob Raush, the snake charmer erotic audiobooks. And so my wife comments in the photo, Annabelle, he is some more inspiration for your next uh podcast or a lot of can fiction, yeah. And so I know that Annabelle was like frothing all of the Ben and Mark moments in the game, like with the fires and then at Drew Villa as well. So um yeah, there's it was uh you know, we were there.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

I think Ben will be back if he wants to. I feel I feel like he gave us television, you know, and like I he was trying and he was like he was trying to, you know, oh Ben will be back for sure. I think he'll be back.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

And you need like you need a good challenge beast, but often you don't get the combo of challenge beast plus like absolute maniac, you know, like and he had the two combined, and then when he like became like the mad king, it was so good. So he had a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

And I think now he's done it once. Next time he'll be even he'll just hit the ground running because he I think he found a little took him a little bit find his feet at the start.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

He also had like he also had like 10 ulcers in his mouth, and his wisdom teeth were coming through so that the poor guy couldn't speak, and you could see his body is like he's like trying to communicate where he's like oh my god, the poor thing.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Yeah, yeah. God, you could not tell.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

I was actually like admiring his gorgeous teeth. No, I know. No, he really he was the poor old Ben was struggling, and then Caleb was throwing out um beans and rice, like towards the end of the game.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

So Keely told me about this. Oh yeah, I'm shook they didn't lean in harder to that.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

I know I know he's a little scally lag. And Ben was really pissed off, yeah, he was so angry.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Do you reckon it's because they wanted the audience to like love him? And we might some people might have not loved that.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

I would have taken it as a challenge, Sam. I'm like, it's right, I've already convinced, I'm already on this jury fighting for Caleb of like add in beans and rice getting thrown out. Yeah, I mean like story producing.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

I think like I feel like they've got this task of like selling us the winner by the time it happens, because the last thing they want is everyone pissed off that the season finishes and like someone that didn't really work hard for it or whatever that they don't like.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

If Jackson wins the game, bet your bottom dollar that they're gonna have every second of Caleb chucking food in the in the ocean and Ben being super pissy about it. So yeah, yeah, no, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Yeah, I think they did a good job of making them both quite likable, to be honest. Yeah, I thought it was super funny.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

I thought it was super accurate. Like to me, I was watching, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Yeah, uh, all right, then your boy Simon joins.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

Oh I like he he did so well to get as far as he did, but also like Simon and I are friends already in Brisbane, and like I was when I I can't say too much, but yeah, when I knew what was happening, I was on Simon's back before the game, being like, There can never be an Australian survivor season called Redemption, and not have Simon me on it. And he was like, Mario, I'm not, I'm not playing, I'm not playing, I'm gonna barley. Yeah, and then at the very end, but that was before I got the call. So it was only like very late in the piece when I was like, Oh, I asked him for some advice, and then he eventually fessed up. So it was pretty cool to have him out there on the jury. He I did dinners, so I was the cook of uh mayor of mayor of Jewry Villa and the cook of Jewilla.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

And head chef.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Yeah, head chef. Faith was unfortunately gone. Um, and uh and Simon did the uh breakfasts, so he got a lot of um got a lot of love. Blanche loved his bacon and eggs, and he made like a little special um sauce for the bacon and eggs as well. And uh yeah, he went out of his way to make breaky, so that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

That sounds good. I think Simon did have uh the best redemption story. Or kind of the like let's be real, is he the only one?

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Oh yeah, like have you have you not learned yet that Australian survivor and themes don't mean shit?

SPEAKER_01 35:45

What you mean you're not a Titan this whole time I've been lied to? Eden, the Titan of regional Victorian cinema.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

No, I love Eden, but like we love Eden, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Um they really slapped that one on, didn't they? It was like redemption. Hey, there was a tree motif, which apparently means you know the tree of life.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

No, I love it. I say keep doing terrible themes.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Yeah, I like I do like the V. I like something V something. I think it's simple and it gives people some.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

Well, we all know what I want. I want fans V faves.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 36:32

I think it's time. I know we're getting all newbies next time.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Are we? Well, yeah, they said Oh, did they? I didn't think they said 24 new people. Oh yeah, I thought there might be okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna shut up now. Because you know too much.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

I mean, they could there could still be time.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

We never know. Yeah, um, yeah, all newbies.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

You're like, I've got a flight in 10 minutes to Malaysia.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

Mate, I've got the hot bod now. It's not hot, but like the main the main objective of going to fucking Samoa is losing weight, and I don't need that right now.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

So babe, if you're gonna play in a gay water polo team, you need to have a hot bot. Should we should we tell the story?

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

I said it at the top, and then I realized I didn't ask you to tell the story.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

We're just like, Yeah, let's do it, let's do it, let's do it. So at some point, I was getting fat after playing Titans V Rebels, and I'm like, ah no, like getting fat again, that's not good. And then, and I was like, I don't really want to play Survivor again, but if I do, I know that everyone's gonna be like, Mark's the swimming the dolphin, so I've got to be good at swimming. And I'm thinking, oh, maybe I should do some swimming. And then I'll go to a party and a friend of a friend goes, Hey Mark, we loved you on Survivor. I was like, Oh, thanks. And he said, Oh, you're a great swimmer. I'm like, Oh, thanks. And he said, You should come play water polo in my team in Brisbane. I'm like, Oh, actually, that's you've hit the nail on the head, mate. Like, you okay, yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

With those headphones on as well, right now, you look like a water polo. I look like a little bit like a little thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:00

Yeah, I can see it. And so he goes, Oh, it's a super inclusive club in Brisbane. I'm like, oh fucking, I fine, great, let's go. And he goes, It's a trial, it's like a summer trial or something. I'm like, okay, perfect, just tell me when and where. And so I show up, famously straight, and it's the uh Brisbane Tritons, and it's Brisbane's gay water team.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

It's not Titans. No, I know that just would have made the story.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

I know, I know, but I show up and I'm like, oh, cool, like, okay, this is Brisbane's gay water polo team, and I'm in the I'm in like the trials.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Inclusive means inclusive, Mark.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

I know, but then like some people knew who I was because they were fans of the show. I'm like, oh, thanks, guys, thanks, guys. And then some people didn't, and then I'm like, at what point do I like I have to come out like to these like this crew? It was quite funny, and then like I was like swinging away doing it, and then I told Annabelle, and Annabelle thought it was fucking hilarious, and then I tell um Benjamin Law, who's buddy survivor legend and Australian swimming icon, and he's like, Marcus, just because you're gay, mate, that's it, you don't have a choice, and I was like, Okay, then knows then knows I've been knighted, so yeah, that is pretty funny.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

But then I think that though, because like I play in a queer sports club as well. Um uh and it is a bit like that because that you know it it's quite literally inclusive, so any anyone can can come. I'd love to, but but the idea is that it's a space, you know, for queer people to feel safer playing sport, which is great. But every now and then there's someone and I'm like, hmm, oh I mean like like they'll be really good or something, and I'm like, hang on.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

The number of like awkward the time, like I had to call Annabelle. I'm like, oh I'm like, is this all right? Like, I don't want to like and she's like, it's fine, Mark, as long as you be yourself and be, you know, be normal. And I was like, oh, sweet. So it was super sweet. It was really fun, and it was actually like the best, it was the best team ever, of course. But then I smoked Tritons, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

It was really oh the the tea I have on the Melbourne gay water polo too, honey. Well, that's another podcast. We'd be here for weeks, okay, okay with the drama from those boys. So hopefully the Trickers are keeping it classy.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

But the that it was like it was really good. Like the quality of water polo is really good, and so uh yeah, it was it was all round. Hey, tick tick tick. It was great.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Amazing. Cameron Cameron Quashi.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Wow to get voted off for talking too much.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Honestly, incredible, even his family, like when they zoomed in or whatever at one point, they trolled him as well. They're like, Oh, don't tell anyone that you're scared of snakes and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

I was like, This is adorable, you know, in in Drew Villa, we got to watch all of the family videos of the people that were there at that point in time, and I was like, Oh, that explains it. That explains it. Kabana is Kwabna Cameron, he's got like a bazillion siblings, and so he's always fighting for attention and he's always trying to be funny, but like I think his priority audience is himself to make to make laugh.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

It was always like the best line. What was it? It was like, I'm a big boy stuck in a medium-sized boy's body, and I was like zinger, obsessed.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Yeah, he had some zingers. Um, when you're getting the zinger, like they're not all zingers, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

A lot of it was unintelligible, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

When you're getting them 24-7, it's it's funny, but then you go like, Oh, I need I need my sleep. So um, no, but it was he was like a great addition to the jewelry villa. He also had like a nice um like I liked his um the outfits that he wore on the jury. Like he always had shorts.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Did he wear those?

SPEAKER_00 41:50

No, he wore like a big skirt thing, and he wore like some like funky shoes, and he's very much like cool in a way that I'm not, and so I was always like do-rags going and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

I was like, Yeah, he looked really good on the jury.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

On the show that you wanted to make that clear, Sam.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

I thought he looked good on the island too, but apparently he was a stinky boy, and apparently he was annoying. So I can see why that would have been off-putting.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

Yeah, no, um, and he and he just kept on getting on the wrong side of things, which was just like he kept on being like, Ma, you keep you keep lightsiding me, and I'm like, sorry, can so anyway, he got further than me and he looked he served some looks on the jury, and he's way cooler than me as well. So he's very cool, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

Shout out to Cameron, yeah. But then Brooke joined you. Were you surprised to see Brooke?

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Um, at that point, no, but I wanted Brooke to win so bad, and like I think that they had to edit out. Like, as much as I was like frothing Caleb at the end, like my jury Were you ever feel sorry? The my jury, like like smiley eyes to Brooke were um were a loss, and so yeah, when she came out, it was um because Brooke and I were kind of like we were actually each other's number ones, and so um I don't think that really came out very much. So yeah, it was really fun to have her out there, and um and then once Keely came as well, it was like it was like uh the three of us reunited was um it was a lot a lot of fun, a lot of fun, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

The girly's arrived, so yeah, it must be hard because you're like sad to see them there because you want them in the game still, but also it's like selfishly we can uh have fun running around the villa.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

Mate, uh both at this point I've been on the bloody jury for like a week and I'm like sure.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Do they take you out and stuff? Do you go on excursions?

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Yeah, so that's a good question. Previously they'd been like really tough and they've been like, no, no trips for you. But this time, uh new new administration, oh uh they they loosened the um they loosened the shackles. So I'll tell you a story. When I was the when I was the mayor and only the only one on the jury, it was. Like, I got some very special returning privileges. Thank you very much. You know who? Um, which was nice. But then once Keely got out, we did that's a hilarious story. So Keeley's been out of the game for like 24 hours max, right? And it's you got no phones, like 40 plus days. So when you like uh return to society, it's quite overwhelming. And our sweet, sweet chaperone is like, okay, family family trip out of the Jewry, we're gonna go watch a movie, and we're like, Yeah, Chinese in a movie. We're like, fantastic, okay. So we go, and he picks the movie, and it's like an Ashton Kutcher movie where it's super violent, they're on a plane, he's like a CIA opposite, and like everyone's trying to kill him. Terrible, but no, I think it's a movie, no, it's like it's like, hold on, let me just google it. It's like R-rated, look it up now, primarily for the violence. Ashton Kutcher flight movie.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

How long ago was this, mate? Is it a lot like love? No. 2005 romantic comedy?

SPEAKER_00 45:10

No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, it's not the butterfly effect.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

The Guardian? No. He's been in a lot of my god, okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

This is not good content.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

Oh, that's flight plan?

SPEAKER_00 45:22

That's the one.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Jody Foster's flight plan?

SPEAKER_00 45:25

Yes, oh yes, she's the CIA, like head honcho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we go and see flight plan. All you need to know is it's like Tarantino level of violence. And so we're sitting in the cinema, me, Keely, and Brooke all next to each other. The chaperone falls asleep, whilst there's like a because he didn't sing it 600 times. He's like, oh, let's watch it again. The kids will love this, and there's like blood.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Everybody loves classic film flight plan.

SPEAKER_00 45:56

And and Keely is like overwhelmed, overstimulated. Brooke is overwhelmed, overstimulated, and I go to the girls, hey, old mates asleep. Let's just get the fuck out of here. And we're like, yep. So we just and we're not allowed, so we just sneak out of the cinema and then we go outside. We're like free. We are free in some. And I go, and Brooke and Keeley, because you're not allowed to have um anything when you're on the jury. You don't have your phone, you don't have your wallet.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Oh, really? Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:23

Yeah, but I had sneakily have so Brooke goes to me, Mark. Oh, if only we had like, you know, if only we could like go boost and buy something, and I was like, I whipped out my wallet. I'm like, Don't worry, girl, I got you. And it was like the look on their faces was like, we have just got out of prison. We've got out prison break. We went to McDonald's, we walked out Samella, and we went to McDonald's trying to get over a buddy flight plan. Um, Ashton Kutcher, and I'm like, whatever you girls want, we get it.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

And we just loaded up then the key bars are on the on the mare, key bars are on the mare, and we sat there, stuffed our face.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

I think Simon was looking for us, but he was too slow. And um, yeah, so we like eventually wandered back, and the chaperone was like, You could tell he was sweating a bit, like he lost he lost three pictures, mustache boy from the Blanche Mike story, and he's like, he's like 21.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

I'm the intern, man.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, Do I have to call the boss? No, and uh eventually we come back and we're like, Don't worry, it's we didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

And he was like, he's like, I didn't lose my master chef.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

Oh, no. No, unfortunately, he's Samoan, and so I think all of them jobs are gone, but anyway, um yeah, it's really sad, actually. That's not I shouldn't joke about that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

Surely I my mind immediately went to new location because like a tourism sponsor or something is willing to throw some money at it.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

I've been told that other I've been told that other countries like I don't know, Greece or something, film Survivor there. So maybe it's just like uh it's the drag race model.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

That's how they're doing like they just um shot an all-star season of Drag Race Down Under in Portugal, of course. Oh, okay. She's like, sorry, because there's just like a set there now. Yeah, yeah. There is no Portuguese version of Drag Race, but they like they like pimp out this set to who whichever country wants to do it.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

It's hey look I don't know what you can smart from Portugal, but yeah, I like to do it.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

I blame Trump.

SPEAKER_00 48:23

I feel like this is all when in doubt, when in doubt, yeah, but like, oh my god, I there are so many Samoans working on the show, and like oh it like it they works, they've worked on the show for so long, and we love them, and they and we honestly like we feel like they still follow us and we like keep in touch, so yeah. I won't say their name because they might get in trouble for letting me uh but yeah, we do it's gonna be sad for them. Maybe they can go to Fiji and work on American on um with um old mate.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

Probed um Sally with an E was next. Um was that a troll, or do we need to get that boy in school?

SPEAKER_00 49:10

I think he confirmed that he I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he'd never met a Sally before. Um Sally didn't have much time on the jury. No, so my uh memory is fairly wonky with her. Um I was she pissed off? Nah, no. Sally's like a Sally's a universe girl, so it's like the universe, you know, the universe had this moment.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Um I'm not gonna lie, I found it hard to read, Sal.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

Oh, she's she's Sally's one of the people out there that I was like, in real like I actually like you a lot, and in real life we would be friends. I just can't deal with you right now in the game, you know? Like I've never had anyone be out there each like one, you know what I mean, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:53

You like under under different circumstances we would be killing it together, but unfortunately, yeah, that's not where the cards landed, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Yeah, exactly. Um, but no, super, super funny, but also, yeah, very much a universe girl, so much so that um when it was uh so Faith and Sally never really got along, and Faith hates the universe girls, and so yeah, because Faith is running a cult. Yeah, so there's me, Faith, and Keely in head office, and then one day Sally comes down and goes, Let's make a four, let's make a four person alliance. And I'm like, Yeah, and I look at Faith in the eye and I say, Let's call it the universe, Faith. Let's call it the universe because that's like the universe will brought us together. And Faith is looking at me being like, You asshole, Mark. Oh but no, I love Faith. I love Faith.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Sally's like loyalty to Caleb so obvious.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

So I think Loz's loyalty to Kayla was like that was strong, very strong. Um, but I think Sally and Sally and I think Sally Sally um at the redemption beach, she like had a moment where she like, you know, the universe spoke to her, and I think she was like, I need to change my game, and I think she realized that Kayla was gonna be like the next phase of the game. So yeah, I don't think it was there at the start, but very much towards the end, Sally was like, I can't keep getting treated like crap by Keely, Mark, and Faith. So I need to do something else. And I'm like, yeah, um, damn it.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

I got Sally and the Lottie mixed up at the start of the season. Oh, yeah. And the whole time, like towards even near the end, I'm so glad I never said this on the pod. Oh, I thought Sally was the artist who did the painting that the Hadids bought or whatever. Uh, and then I and then I remembered towards the end, I'm like, no, that was the other cool girl.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Um you're telling me I got out there at the promo shots before day one, and we didn't know anyone's name, except they knew our names.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 51:54

And the number of blonde actually, though Keely didn't know who I was, which is pretty funny. Um, but Sally, Faith, Lottie, yeah, Lindell.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Lindle, yeah, it's blonde girlies getting around. There was another one. And and I had to like I'm glad some of them got called early because otherwise, my it's too hard. I can't remember names.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

That's enough, mate. That's enough. Like, there's too many blondes, one better go. Yeah, I had to literally be like the one with the 33 shirt, and then the 33 ship shirt kept on getting spread around, and I'm like, oh, make it come on, name tags, please. Daniel could have used it.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Oh Daniel, oh my god, bless. No, I went to a tattoo studio on the weekend, and they had a Lottie, I'm certain it was a Lottie artwork, because I had like a pigeon and some text, and I was like, Lottie.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

She's she's doing super well.

SPEAKER_01 52:47

She's getting around. Levi's Laz was next. Now was she pissed off at any point? Because I feel so let down by the promo of her being like, Oh, I'm mad, and then when it wasn't real, I was like, I'm sorry to disappoint.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Nah, she wasn't. She wasn't thinking so. I think because it's like day 44, she came into the jury, and I had a I had a thing with Loz because at that point in time, because I was the last person on the jury and I played, and so and I'd stood on those bloody pegs, and I'm like, I bet you just stood on pegs, and she's like Peg sisters for life. Yeah, that's right. So um, but her head was like, I think she was like not there. Like she had been um like so when on the jury, she was barely like she was struggling to like make sense of stuff, but then the next day she was like back to normal and not that spicy. They had some good shots, they had some good shots of her looking cranky, but her head wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

How hey, and it made for some very interesting television where they would cut to her at times, they it I think this is the first time this has ever happened. There was a confessional with her where she did not say anything, I know, and I was like, I know and this is like in the last week, I know they cut to her 10-15 seconds of her sitting there staring at the camera, and I was just like brutal, I felt bad. Like, I was like, I was like, take that out, guys. Like we get it, she's not giving much, but maybe she's just over it. I think she wanted to get a challenge win, right? Yeah, that was her main focus. I I thought, and I mean she said that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

I mean, like it's brutal, like she didn't get much airtime, and then the one like confessional in the last week is silence, it's just like oh, that hurt, that hurt, but you know, like painful. Yeah, she um she looked good in final travel. I thought her outfit was pretty popping. She was incredible, like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

I thought she did so well, killed that the pegs, really, really good, and a lot of those endurance challenges. She was, you know, a finalist, endurance and negotiating the other ones. Yeah, but her negotiation skills, let's be real. No, no, no, not good.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Not up to scratch.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

She'd be like, You step down and then I win. How's that for a deal?

SPEAKER_00 55:17

At one point, Blanche was like, I remember she was trying to negotiate with Simon. He was like, How about you give me my vote, your vote? And she Blanche was like, Why would I do that? And someone's like, Yeah, it's a negotiation, and that was the end of that. So, yeah, no, Loz, nah, she was like, It's really hard going into the jury with like the last night, it's overwhelming. She barely even remembered like she barely even noticed.

SPEAKER_01 55:38

Did she get a feast?

SPEAKER_00 55:39

I cooked. Oh, at that point I gave up cooking. I'm like, There's too many of you people, back to backers, yeah, back to whatever it was. But um, yeah, like it was she got a big feed. Um what else? I was just trying to like I remember I just always made sure that everyone had a cold like drink. Like uh you want like an apple, like you want some water, some beer or wine or whatever it is, it's like make sure that's ready, and like because that when there's that many people, the beers will go hot, like someone won't put them in the fridge, and I was like, okay, as mayor of Drew Villa, we need to make sure that the beer fridge is stocked. Um, so yeah, that's pretty important. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

And you were truly um driving the Caleb campaign vehicle. I don't think so. No. When did that start? And were you fully because we didn't get to see, but I'm picturing you at the villa just walking around handing out pamphlets. Like have you heard about the word of Caleb?

SPEAKER_00 56:38

Au contraire, Sam. I oh I at Drury Villa, I was like, my so my mantra was at Drury Villa was, and like this is from Blanche onwards. I was like, because I got pissed off in previous seasons, not just Titan Sea Rebels, when people felt like they had to vote because it was like the right vote to make for someone else, but not for them. And I said to Blanche, I'm like, hey mate, if you want to vote based on hating Cameron, do it. Like you choose how you want to vote. Like, don't vote for someone, don't vote on behalf of like the hive mind of the jury. Vote on what you want. And I know, Blanche, you want to like you know, I know what you want. Yeah, very clear what you want.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

And what you want is Caleb.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

I mean, just so happened the two aligned.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

But um, but like oh so what you're saying is it you would have done that if you had to, but it was an easy task.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

No, no, no. Like, I didn't I hate can people campaigning. Yeah, uh in the in the in the villa, yes. Uh once we're like, let's go, baby. Okay, exactly. And not gonna lie, I wasn't the only one. Like, someone else started it, someone else started it, and I was really made it look like you and you alone.

SPEAKER_01 57:50

And I thought it was because you were like, Well, he took me out, so therefore he must be you you think my ego is that fragile? Yeah, not wrong, which I think is a completely valid reason to think someone's game slaps if they we need this guy to win because it makes me look better.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Um, yeah, no, I think like I was holding back, but then my my dear friend Simon was like putting Caleb down, being like, when were you in the driver's seat? When were you you were a passenger? And I was like, oh, and I didn't like that. And sure, and then I was like, and also because last time I played, Raymond was campaigning for Ferris to win, and she was like saying, Oh, like you played you sounds like you're saying you misplayed an idol for is like your big move. And I was like, I remember at the time being like, Oh, that's pretty, that's a bit of a like a like a non uh it was like um like he chose a side, and I felt like oh I should have tried I should have spoken up for Caroline a bit last time. So it's like again, the ghost of Caroline uh came back, and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna speak up for Caleb. So it was really I wasn't planning on doing it in the moment. I was obviously pro-Caleb. I think the I think the dirtiest thing was like actually highlighting the flaws in Jackson's like it's one thing to s give a softball for Caleb.

SPEAKER_01 59:10

I think what I wasn't expecting was to like give Jackson a really tough question, which is probably Oh no, I loved it because you need some there needs to be some tension in that final episode, and it usually comes from a disgruntled jury, which I think we get more of that in the US version of the show because I think people over there are they like just culturally, they are a bit more they take things a bit more seriously. I don't know. I think Australians are so laid back that often it is playful and fun. So when people are genuinely a bit pissed off, I'm like, ooh, popcorn's coming out, but you're right, the campaigning bit of a I don't like it either. Yeah, like I was a bit like oh, because you want the the jury to come up with their own reason, and that's part of the story of the finale, is like everyone's personal reasons for and and also we've just watched a whole show about trying to coerce people to to join you to do votes, like you kind of want that last thing to be about something different. So you're sick of the mark shows, that's what you're saying, Sam. No, I I thought it was great, I thought it was really good, but they really did cut it in a way where it looked like you were the only person doing that, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

I think the thing is is that Caleb absolutely brain was fried, like yeah, and oh yeah, he didn't do a great pitch, so yeah, you were just you were helping him out, I get it. Yeah, but also like he like in the early um parts of the season, he had this whole chaos what was it, crazy but cautious, and it's like the perfect that's he was strategy at the very start, and he didn't like that's what he should have said.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

He needed a team of writers to help with the pitch, I get it. But it's also you've been out there for however many days, you've yeah, wrecked public speaking.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

It wasn't my intention to you know be so active, but once Caleb was like absolutely frying it, not that I think it mattered, I think everyone voted the way that they were going, but I was like, oh god, imagine if this is how like the season ends. It's just like Caleb absolutely cooking it. So yeah, anyway, that's how I did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

Well, it really improved the final uh episode and week. I thought it was a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

And then we had the and then we had the um the actual jaw-dropping moment when Dave's goes, Oh, we're reading this back in Australia. We had no idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

Yeah, it was wild. Wild.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:37

That was absolute wild. Because I was waiting for the loved ones to come in, which is what they normally do, and that always gets me like teary, and I'm like, okay, like you know and then it's a new element, right, where you've got a your vote is kind of like knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

I know. So that would have been fun. It was. But don't they in the normal when when it's when there's not a live thing, they film a couple of outcomes, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

So there is always, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same thing, but I still think that it's just I don't know. Also because it was close, because it was fairly close, you know, and all anyone had to do was lie about, you know, you know, I mean, if not that anyone discussed who they voted for, but um, you know, whereas when with Ferris and Caroline it was, you know, clean sweep, so and Miles and it was like, you know what I mean? Like it was pretty obvious, whereas for this one I was like, oh, we are on, you know, so it was pretty exciting, so fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

And then that epic um live reunion on the harbor stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:39

So my favorite part was to watch um Dave on his motorbike. Yeah, I I loved it. And his glasses looked so cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

Yeah, it was cool. I'm gonna have to outdo that next next year now.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

The jet skis. Yeah, easy.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Yeah, jet skis caught nothing. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Thank you so much for joining me on the cringe.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

I should have done it sooner.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

Oh, it's awkward. You found your way home eventually. And what have you got going on? Have you got anything to plug?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:15

To plug. Um Simon Snuffedats? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

Oh yeah, I'm wearing a cherry vinyl tease cap. Oh, very nice. I don't have a snuffed cap. I'll have to hit up Simon.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:26

Yeah, he'll give you one. Um I think they're 40% off at the moment. Um, like not plugging it. I'm like, I'm so excited to go back to normal life. Um, uh get the brain back into real world stuff. Not that I really want to because the world's kind of depressing. Um, but yeah, um, yeah, I'm changing jobs. I'm going on a holiday to Bali next week, which is gonna be pretty cool. Um so it's gonna be just like a zen eat, drink, do you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

You deserve it, have your own villa alignment. You know, back to the mayor is calling.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be like bossing, I'll be like, Shelly Sass, what to do? All right, we're doing this. She's like, You're not the mayor of Drury Villa anymore, Mark. Let it go.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

Oh, well, have the best time in Bali and I'll see you soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:16

Thanks, mate. See ya. This has been fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

Bye.