Australian Survivor - Redemption (w/ Keeley Jenkinson)

Babe alert! Fraud prevention specialist and crafty queen Keeley Jenkinson joins Sam online to recap her Australian Survivor Redemption experience and kiki about the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Keeley dishes some unaired alliance names (yes there were more!), who got a good edit and how she became such an iconic player overnight. This interview is a true delight and not to be missed. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:07

This podcast was produced on the land of the Wurundjri people of the Kulin Nation.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Welcome to Australia.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

Someone who is such a connoisseur of reality television.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

The content is hideous. So sorry about this. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

It's the Crafty Queen herself, challenge beast, and my favourite returnee of the season, Keely Jenkinson. Welcome to the cringies reel.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Hi, thanks, Sam. Thanks for having me. This is so exciting.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

So exciting to have you here. How look, how has life been now that the party's over?

SPEAKER_00 0:44

You know, life is a little bit less sparkly than what it was when Survivor was on, of course. Um, but you know, the crafty queen, she has to go back to her day job at some point. Um, and it's not as glamorous.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Someone's gotta someone's gotta prevent fraud.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

And it's not gonna be someone has gotta look after everybody's bank accounts in this country and let it be me, friends. Can you believe that? That is what I am doing behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Um, and have you recovered from the after party yet?

SPEAKER_00 1:18

I have, yeah, I have recovered from the after party. I was a good girl, I only had two beers, which is shocking. Well honestly, because like look, Keely lost a party and I was out really late. I was still out until about 3 a.m. Um, but I only had two beers. I was on my best behavior.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Did Golden God kick on? I imagine he would like be like responsible dad to a point, and then also quite fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Probably, he probably did.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

You're like, I know I saw him last time I was in Sydney. I went up for Marty Hoopla Festival. Um and I saw him just like walking from the in the distance. And I was already sideways, so I was like, Garden, God, and he just sort of looked back and like started walking faster. And I was like, no, come back.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

I want to call it.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Actually, I was gonna ask, I was gonna ask you, when did you guys find out that he was the host? Obviously before you went out there, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:26

I didn't know before I went out there.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Oh really?

SPEAKER_00 2:30

No, but you know what's really weird for me, Sam, is I haven't watched Heaps of Survivor. And so um, when we were in lockdown, we were watching um Osby World. We got a copy on a US done. Awesome. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

Oh, is that because it hadn't it hadn't aired yet?

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Correct, it hadn't aired yet. So we didn't get the last episode of the season, and I actually need to go and watch it. I still haven't watched it.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

Um good season.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

I've heard um so I watch I watch the season anyway. I get on the mat and I'm like, hey, that's um that guy who was on Osby World and now he's the host of Samoa. That's actually iconic, but I think everybody else had a pretty good idea. I feel like it might have been spoiled in the media um before we had gone to Samoa, so they managed to get a lot of information.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Oh, yeah, of course. Uh we were talking about it like last year, and obviously Brooke and stuff are like friends with him, so they would have known.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Yeah, I think they had an inkling, absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

So you weren't a huge survivor fan before, but you are a fan of the secret lives of mom and wives, much like myself.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Oh my god, they're my shows. They are my shows.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

We have to talk. So this is perfect because um next week my episode is going to be a full recap of season four. Um, so stay tuned for that.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

But I'm I'm sat for that.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

I'm honestly, but it's like I'm worried about how to fit it all in because there's too much to discuss. Um Taylor Frankie, or the Mormon wives are really similar to Survivor.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Like, if you can survive being in mom talk, I mean you can survive anything.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

And will they survive this? Is pretty much their tagline.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

That is every season. Every season survives.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Will mom talk survive this? And the the answer is always, are there brand deals? Yes. So yes, they'll be fine.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Exactly. And I'm like, even if there are not brand deals, I want it to survive. So point me to the GoFundMe. Like, I will donate to keep this organization alive and thriving.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Do you think that Tyler Frankie Paul's latest antics will actually impact the show at all? Because I feel like nothing will stop them.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

I feel like I feel like we live in a world of extremism now. Like there is there's this is normal. This is normal, right? I mean, it's pretty shocking. However, I would argue it's not new information. Maybe it's new footage, but we've kind of seen like glimpses of that footage before back in I feel like season one.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

It was the first episode of the whole show was like police body cam footage, which I was like, oh, I'm into the show because there's like a sort of true crime-esque. I'm like, oh my god, clearly, like these two are just at it all the time, like throwing shit at each other. It's like a true like masterclass in like domestic violence, in like not a very bad relationship, and you're just like, how you can tell that they have a toxic relationship, but you know what else, Sam? You can tell that their kink is toxic relationships, they do it to each other, they were playing each other the whole season, um, bringing our boy Harry Jousey on. I was like, oh my god. And then Shania.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

I mean, look, the way that they, I mean, they are so naughty. Like you can just see it. Like, production is naughty, but they are willing to kind of go the extra mile. Harry Jowsy, when he walked in, I was like, okay, hang on a minute. We're truly changing gears here.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

He was there for like two minutes, and it was it literally wheeled him out in front of Dakota and was like, Yeah, this is who I could be sleeping with.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Right.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

I have I have the me, I have the clout.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

It was so awkward though. I'm like, why are you like parading around your one-night stand in front of your baby daddy who you're still really obsessed with? Like, this is so awkward.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

Speaking of baby daddy, you would so be into this if you're not already as a drug prevention expert. But have you heard about this podcast called Love Trapped?

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Actually, I think I might have. I might need a little bit more information because I hear a lot of these stories and there's a lot of podcasts around this. But is it like a bit of a sugar, a sugar daddy situation?

SPEAKER_03 7:01

No, it's actually it's a new kind of story. I'm so into it. I've I'm only like three episodes in, but I'm already hooked. It's true crimey, but it's about this guy that was on The Bachelor years ago and like hated America hated him when he was on The Bachelor. He moves to Arizona to become a real estate agent to get away from all the the spotlight, and then he gets trolled by this woman who claims he got her pregnant from a blowjob.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Whoa, it's I mean crazy. I'm into it. I'm already into it. Yeah, if this is the this is the little trailer, I think I'll have to listen. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

That one's good. And it's like I think the case is like happening at the moment. So it's like things are coming out. Yeah, so people are kind of like deep diving, and there's like an internet sleuth component to it as well, which I haven't quite got to yet, but apparently that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

This is all the internet was created for is for internet sleuths. Yes, yes. I'm loving some of these um doco crime docos that come out, and it's just the internet hunting somebody down, finding them, and then Netflix produces it. Like I'm here for that. That is what I want to see. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 8:17

Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

This sounds like a bit of me.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

Right. Um, all right, let's talk about let's talk about your time on Survivor, shall we?

SPEAKER_00 8:26

What a time.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

You're like, oh, do we need to?

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Um what a time.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

So you weren't weren't a huge fan of the show, but you'd seen a bit of it.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

I have. I've seen a few episodes here and there. Yeah. And my look, my brother watches it. He's watching Survivor 50 at the moment. So I watched um an episode of that last night. It's really different. Um, it's really I was watching it and I'm like, this is not Survivor. Like, what is this? I I was really surprised. It's really different. But you know, whatever works. Um, if I have to hear Billy Eilish boomerang idol again, I'm gonna lose my mind. Um, and that was just one episode.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

Okay. Well, the latest thing is that coconut shot and Sari finding the coconut.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Are you up to the I am okay? So I am okay. So when I say like I'm around, so I do see these little glimpses. So my brother's watching, I have seen the coconut shot, the thousands of coconuts. Amazing. My brother is watching it, and he's like, This is not that hard. And I was like, I'm sorry, but that would be torture. Torture. It would be so hot. You're there alone. All you have is you and your own thoughts. That is scary enough as it is, and then you have to find a phoenix on a coconut. I'm pretty sure she found it, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:46

Like, I I of course she found it because the cameraman was like pointing at the coconut.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Plastic, plastic production fail, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

It's actually so um, my big question to you is do you feel redeemed?

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Yeah, I I do, I do feel redeemed. Um, I didn't really have like the strongest redemption story going out there. What was it?

SPEAKER_03 10:12

Because surely they were like pitching to you all what your redemption story could be, right? At all times.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

What was yours gonna be?

SPEAKER_00 10:23

I don't know. And I think it's why we never saw my backstory.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

You didn't need backstory filler because you were giving us 10 out of 10 confessional, darling.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

I I was, and you know what, Sam? I'm really glad that I just debuted in Survivor and I didn't require my backstory as well. Um, I like mysterious. Yeah, it was a returnee. Don't you remember I played a few seasons ago?

SPEAKER_03 10:47

So it's so funny when that happened when you got lumped in with the returnees. I had a flashback to like uh at the start of the season, I went to a little viewing party with some alum to watch the first episode, and I ended up photobombing in one of their pics.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Oh, so you're a returning.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Because I know what I'm doing. And I had so many DMs from people being like, oh my god, were you on Survivor? And I was like, Yeah, babe. Don't you remember my season? I won. I won. I won Fans versus Faves 2, Antarctica.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

People would believe it in Antarctica. Now that would be real Survivor. Yeah, that would be tough. I heard nobody else made it back except for you, Sam.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

So exactly. But no, I love that you earned your um re redempt your returnee stripes without actually having been on the show before. Like, was that just because people were kind of like weirdly scared to fuck with the returnees and you were kind of like, whatever, I don't even know these people.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

I was like, whatever, I don't even know these people. Like, these people are just people to me. Yeah, I will say that you know, there are fans of the show on the show, right? And so they they fangirled a little bit over. Who were the fangirls? Tez Tez is a fan.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Ah, yes, yes. Friend of the Pod Tez. We love you bad.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah, so like there was a few people who already know who these guys are, and so they've already acquired fans and therefore allies in a way. Um, but I really enjoyed them as people. Um, yeah, and they're so smart, they're so good at the game, and I don't know heaps about it, so I need an education lesson. And they were there for for me, like they provided the education.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Yeah, I became fan. Like if I was out there, I would literally be like, I remember your face, I don't remember what anything about you. Like because it all just goes like literally, like as soon as the season finishes, I forget everything that happens.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

I I don't blame you. We watch so much TV, right?

SPEAKER_03 12:52

I'm gonna do the next thing.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Yeah, I'm like, but if you jog my memory, I think I can get back there. If you jog my memory, I'm there, I can do it. Yeah, but no, they had fans, and I love that for them. I think I eventually acquired fans.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Well so let's start in the first few weeks. Um, your sort of dominance in the game by uh joining forces with Mark and Faith. Let's talk, talk to me about the sister wives, about I can't remember the 500 other names that you had. I know. But what was the what was the thinking behind um aligning with Mark and Faith?

SPEAKER_00 13:31

I so Mark and I get along so very well. We have such a similar background, and Mark can be you know a bit sassy at times.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

He's very sassy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

He's very sassy, and so we just got along so quickly, but he's also very strategic. Um, he's worked in similar situations as myself as well. So we kind of connect really quickly, we share that almost like a similar language in a way. Um that wasn't Thai. That was not Thai, no. Um, unfortunately, I will reserve that for the love story of Rich and um Rich and Mark. That's their secret love language. Um, ours, ours was a bit different. It was more just a familiar, familiar um sex with Mark. He's someone that I would probably work with in the outside.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

Mark can fuck with the guys and the girls at the party. Like he's he knows how to like code switch, I would say, very well, which I think makes him a dangerous player.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

So dangerous. Hello, look at what he did while he was out there. It was terrifying, but I'm really glad that for the most part I was on the good side of Mark and not on the receiving end. But you know, Faith and I, we we just have a dark, wicked sense of humor that we both um bonded over really quickly. And so look, Mark does as well, and you know who else does? Brooke. And so the four of us are actually very tight on on Baron Beach. We are we are a four, and we do have an alliance name that never made the air um called the wrecking balls because we love my. There was another one, there was another one. What? I know you're killing me.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Shocked the wrecking balls.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

The wrecking balls is good, and they could have had like a okay, man, like a they could have like, you know, fully like the wrecking ball challenge where we were throwing this metal wrecking ball at each other, basically, for coffee and donuts. Like, we are doing this for coffee and donuts, yeah. Um, but we thought, let's call ourselves the wrecking balls. We love Miley Cyrus, we love that challenge. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

I'm actually shook that of all the names that made it to air, that one didn't make it because that's I think that's the best one.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

It's pretty fun. Yeah, we had some fun names. We had some fun names.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

Oh, and then there was the tribe swap where you got moved to Bounty Beach. Upgrade. Uh was it or were they kind of the same?

SPEAKER_00 16:01

You know, Don built a gorgeous shelter. Like I give that to Don, because it was pretty nice. It was a dirt floor, not great, but it was, you know what, it's probably more comfortable than sleeping on bamboo at Bounty Beach.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

I was thinking that like the sand or the dirt, probably better.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

I think the dirt was technically better. The worst part about Baron, though, is as soon as you were sleeping on the dirt, it was damp, and then you were damp, and everything was damp.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

It was disgusting. And that's when we made the damp girls alliance.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

That's right. That's another alliance name, and we were actually all in it. It was the group alliance we had. Um, and it was it was gross, so yeah, it was a bit of an upgrade going to Bounty. Bounty Beach was beautiful, you know, like even just the black sand, like it looked gorgeous, it wasn't the most comfortable at times, still a little damp.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

And you got to keep your alliance, right? Like they all came over pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Uh, Faith Mark came up came across, but so did Sally because I love Sally too. Your girl. Um, yeah, my girl, Sal. So I was really happy at Shap Swap. With an E, I believe it's uh I know this yeah, the spelling is look. I don't know if they can't spell or if they're playing on the spelling, because I there's actually a vote that even I write down and I spell it wrong, but I spell it wrong on purpose because the person told me people would spell their name incorrectly and like spell it this way. And so I was like, gotcha. You did it too. Yes, I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 17:41

Who is that?

SPEAKER_00 17:42

It was Cameron.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Oh, Cameroon.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Yeah, Cameron, yeah. Cameron, no E, just Cam Ron. Um, so I remember that actually.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

That's funny. That is funny.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Brooke Brooke actually does it as well. Um, if yeah, if you're into Easter eggs, um, Brooke does it too. So I don't know if the Sally was a play on that or if he just couldn't spell her name. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

It's gotta be a gotta be a troll. Uh let's go to week four to six. This was when uh first we had this Redemption Beach twist, which I'm not gonna lie, I completely forgot about this.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Um and then I I forget about it from time to time too, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

It was let's be real, it was a bit of a floppatron floppatronica um twist.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

I wish more of us cycled through Redemption Beach, to be honest. That would have been, yeah. Yeah, why not? I would have loved to have had um so I actually really enjoyed Redemption Beach, if I'm honest. Like the first night sucked. Um, we did get rained on, that sucked. But as soon as you accept that, it's not that bad. You know, you're just like, whatever, rain on me. Um, and it was the next day, it was like beautiful, sunny. It was actually a really pretty beach to live on as well. I would have loved if some of the people from the Baron 2.0 tribe somehow rotated through and like we could start making some pre-merge alliances before we merge.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Because what it was you, Caleb and Sally, right? Yeah, just the three of us, and then you all ended up staying like pretty much to the end to the end anyway, so it was pretty inconsequential, and also you found this key, which I was like, oh my god, story, something's gonna happen, and it was so inconsequential.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

I even remember saying in my confessional, I was like, Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? I have just found like at least 20 keys, and I get a scroll, and not only that, the scroll tells me nothing. Like, where is my idol? Where is the keys to the car for me to drive away from this place? Like, what is going on right now? I couldn't believe it. That's what I'm looking for, Sam. Yeah, the best thing I got was the motif off the top of the box. That was more value to me than the freaking advantage.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

True. That's the thing. You yeah, you made some lemonade out of the lemons out there, that's for sure. And gave us probably, I would say the most iconic moment of the season was a lot of fun. The idle tomfoolery with you and you and Brooke. Um let's talk about Brooke. So at merge, the Caput Alliance is kind of first becoming you know, it's its thing. Um you and Brooke, the Caput Duo. What what a stunning group of girlies.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

I know, I know. It's just me and Brooke. Um nobody else wanted to join Club Caput, except Simon. Simon kind of sat on the on the um on the sidelines of Club Caput. But I love Brooke, she is so fierce as well. Um, I don't think anybody else on that cast would have done Idle Gate with me. Like, I don't know how that idol play gets made without Brooke.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

It wouldn't happen. That's so good. I love how you weaved in your profession into it as well. Like, you know, I can spot a fake. And I was just picturing those producers being like, yeah, girl, give me a backstory. It was so well done. Um, yeah, and then uh not only did you have an iconic sort of moment in the show with Brooke, but then two immunity challenge wins, like who would have thought?

SPEAKER_00 21:51

What are these?

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Did honestly like did you think that that would happen?

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Absolutely not. No, I never saw me wearing that necklace. I I had, you know, had dreams about wearing that necklace, but you know, they were never going to become my reality. And I actually I really wanted to work with Simon so badly because I knew that he could be the brawn in my operation because he would wear that necklace all the time. Like I could see it in Simon. He's built for those things. It was getting boring.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

Yeah, it was getting pretty boring when it was just like Brooke and Simon sharing the custody of the necklace.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

It was, it sucks, but at the same time, like Brooke and Simon were in my alliance. So I'm like, they're extra votes in my strategic game. I don't have a physical game. And you know, Simon leaves and my physical game just dominates. I know.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Simon is just so adorable. Like I feel like there's a lot of He is in real life.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

And I'm sure there's a lot of like dudes out there that would go on a show like this and then get the sort of edit that he got the first few times. Which is like it's himbo, it's fun, and he's lent in, and that's why I love Simon. Like, not a lot of people would do that, just be like, hey, like this is how I've been portrayed on the show. I'm gonna roll with it and make it like lean in and and be a part of the joke. Um, and that's why he's such a pleasure to watch, I think.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Yeah, yeah. I've not watched his previous seasons, but he told me a lot about them when I was out there. Um hard it was for him.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

He would get a lot of the music, the d d d d music edited under him, which is very cute.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

You know what I love about Simon though is he tries, he tries and he does not give up. Like even when he has it's like no stupid idea exists, even though they put that clown music behind the ideas. But he just gives it a crack, and sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Um, you know, you live and you learn.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

And his favorite word out there this year was differentiation. I'm like, which one of you taught him that?

unknown 23:59

Right?

SPEAKER_00 23:59

It's like, where did you pick up that new word, Simon?

SPEAKER_03 24:02

He just kept using it. I was like, you've just learned this word.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

It was his shtick, and you know, Simon would actually pitch his motivational speeches quite often, and it's what led to the revolt of what I'll call the newbies or passengers, whatever we want to call them. Simon inspired that, and I was like, damn it, Simon, your motivational speech power is too strong.

SPEAKER_03 24:25

Like, it's cringe, and they're coming for us. I see it. Like, I saw it in the edit. I was like, he's being patronizing, like when he was trying to tell Jackson how to suck eggs, and Jackson's like, dude, like, yes, I'm not a two-time returney or whatever the fuck, but I'm also here on the show. Got the same amount of you know, yeah, sway as you, and people don't like being told what to do. Let's be honest. It is true that backfired, hey.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Big time, it backfired. I mean, I feel like before then they weren't really having they wanted the returnees out, they did, but they weren't having these real strong thoughts of we have to do it like right now, like let's band together until yeah, Simon's motivational speeches of differentiation. Damn it, Simon.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Oh my god. Um, so on day 32, you played your idol. I remember that day so well.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

You like that day.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Do you still identify as an idol holder?

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Well, I mean, technically, I I don't have possession of a real idol. I still have my fake idol, though.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Oh, you do?

SPEAKER_00 25:37

I do. I'm looking at it. I've hung it on my wall.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

I want to have a look. Oh my god. Oh my god, it's so beautiful. Hang on, that's the fake one. This is the fake one. Well, here's the gotcha. See, I would have been fooled by that.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

I know, right? It's pretty good. It's got like a a a plain back. Um it's chic. She's chic. And yeah, like she's fully wearable, which is fun. Um so I'm gonna say, yes, I still identify as a as an idol holder. Yeah, I I wanna, I also I wanna stay identifying as an idol holder as well. Like, I like the sound of that um next to my name. So I'll keep it.

SPEAKER_03 26:21

That was the line that like I was already obsessed with you from the start. But when that line happened, I was like, Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

It's I feel like people can take it a few different ways. Like it could be a little fringe, but I like I, you know, I like it. I identify as many things, but idle holder is one.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

The best one, and there wasn't much silliness in confessional out there, so that's why I was really gravitating towards yours because you were I could tell you were having fun with it.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

I I was having fun with it, but you know what, Sam? I actually had to hold back so many times because I can be so silly, and there's so many things I wanted to say, and then I was like, oh no, like that that's probably a little bit too far, maybe a bit too silly. I'll pair it back and go back to head office corporate language for a moment, be a bit more responsible.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

So my god, there was so much corporate speak out there, that would have killed me. Sorry, yeah, sorry. There was what did we have? It was like head office.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

We had head office, and then it was the board of directors with Rich. He named that by the way, and I found it comedic because I have my I got head office over here. Now I'm on the board of the directors. Like, wow, Keely's Keely's everywhere at this point.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

Executive leadership team was next.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

That's it. I never want to be directly brought blamed though. That's why I sat behind the veil of head office. Blame head office. Like it's not me, it's head office.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

Always. No, that was yeah, a good move. Yeah, so you played the idol for your girl Brooke, though, which was an iconic move. Was that a hard decision to make? Like, what tell us, run us through that play.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

It's certainly not an easy decision to make, um, especially when I know that everybody else I knew I was the split vote. Like, I know that. Um, but when I saw that urn come down, it almost had a halo around it. And I just thought, there's one or two Keely votes in there, and that's it. Like I know that someone else is in here, and I also know that we had schooled the movie so many times by this point that surely they have figured out a split vote by now. And they had, you know, then they finally learned how to do it, but at the same time, kind of screw it up because I say the game as so does Brooks. So well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

It worked out, I mean, it worked out so well.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

So well.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

That's why you cemented yourself as this huge threat, because it was like no one was taking a lot of risks out there.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Um it was it I agree, I do agree, and you know, when I blindsided Don, that was probably like the first blind big blind side by a newbie. Um, because otherwise, I think on Bounty Beach, like the original Bounty Beach, they're kind of voting people off because they were irritating and things like that, or forgetting people's names. Um, whereas Don was completely different. That was just kind of I gotta, I gotta take Mark down a peg. Yeah. Um, and I need to keep my girl Sally because I love her.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Keep your girl. No, it was great to watch, and yeah, I'm so glad it it it worked out. And at this point in the series, as a viewer, I was like, oh, this is going on the resume. I was like, I was picturing your speech in the end and how iconic it was gonna be, and how you were gonna be like, got these challenge wins, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

I did everything.

SPEAKER_03 29:55

Literally, it would have been the like I truly think no one stood a chance with the story you would have been able to tell. So the next week I was furious, as you can imagine. And you got so sad. I know. Um, before then, though, you uh after saving your girl Brooke, took her out of the game.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

I know, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Was that just you wanting to be iconic?

SPEAKER_00 30:23

No, not at all. And and I have heard people be like, you know, it's like making another big move. I didn't need to make big moves anymore. Like, I that's not why I really vote Brooke out. It's not another notch on the resume or the belt or whatever. I already have a great resume. Could I beat Brooke though? No, I don't think I actually could. Brooke is adored. She is like adored by the people on the jury as well. And I knew if the two of us were sitting at the end, I probably don't have great chances against her. Not only that, she is a real challenge beast, like tried and tested.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

And I know she said she said a baby and then she's out there doing this.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Like, what? I know she is truly incredible and like her social game. But when I say social game, I mean her like social strategic game because she uses it to advance. You know, some people out there are just socializing. That's not really a social game, that's just socializing. Brooke is using it to move around and to change people's minds, and it's it's brilliant to watch. But I take her out because I'm thinking I want to now sit back. I don't want to be the target anymore of like returnees. Like, let's take all the returnees out and let's see if the game can open up a little bit and I can just be used as a vote in other people's plans. Because I also know that there's still people in the game who haven't done a whole lot of stuff and might have not a great story to tell at the end. And so I'm quite happy to sit back and support them in their endeavors as a vote. Um, doesn't work out that way, unfortunately. But that's more the reasoning behind voting Brook Out than it is a big move. Because I don't even look at voting Brook Out as a as a big move.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

Yeah, sure. I guess it's kind of similar to her decision to take out Simon.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Kind of the the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Yeah. Um she's more thinking about like, how can I open the game up a little bit? Also, when you take out a returney, a little bit of like steam gets released or a bit of pressure out of the group, and you're hoping by showing the other side, especially like when Brooke takes out Simon, she's showing them, I'm willing to work with you guys. Like I've just voted out my ally.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

He was being annoying.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

I'm happy to help exactly like you know, and she's like, I also want to win challenges, and Simon is in the way of that. So there's a lot of benefits to Brooke's decision to take Simon out. I can see the upsides and the downsides, same with when I vote Brooke out. There's upsides and downsides, but they're not big moves for I think either of us. Um, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Um, I want to talk to you about Cameron. So Cameron chose you and Sally to go on this IKEA fucking reward.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

It was so good.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

This was so funny. I got such a kick out of this, like him just genuinely not remembering who had been on rewards before. Talk to me about Cameron. Was he really that annoying? Was it endearing at times?

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Like what no, what do we need to know?

SPEAKER_03 33:37

Like he was actually just that annoying.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Okay, so okay, hang on. Let me get this right. Cameron is honestly like a little brother to me. He is a pest, but I do I love him dearly. Like he is such a lovely, lovely guy. Um, I am also really into sleep maxing. Like, I like to sleep in. And every day, right? Like, sleep maxing is in. Don't fuck with my sleep. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

And so I was always pretty much the last person to get up out of bed every day on Survivor. And Cameron would wake up and we would call him Radio Cam. And he had one volume level and it's loud. And he would just walk around talking. And so I would still be asleep, and I would wake up to the sounds of Cameron. And I'm like, yeah, straight to jail. Like, this is illegal. So he he drove me insane from that perspective. And he was always talking, he was never saying anything like horrible. He's funny. Like he could be a comedian, Cameron.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

And he just was.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

I don't want to see that. Because like he did have a few moments where I was like, oh yeah, I'm getting something now. But yeah, I don't know. There are a few characters that the edit didn't quite give us. Um, yeah, and he was one that that I was like, yeah, I'm not sure what they're trying to do here, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Well, when Cameron picks me for the reward, I'm obviously stoked because I am like, hell yes.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

And a little confused, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Like, why? I'm I literally I'm like, why? Because Cameron, yeah, Cameron and I would have like little arguments, not big ones or anything. We just have little arguments where, you know, I think there's one in the season where he comes up to me and says, like, who are we voting for? And I'm like, we're voting for you, buddy. Um, like we would always have that. And I actually took Cameron's shirt and he was like, hey, that's my shirt. I was like, not anymore. It's mine. Like, get out of here. So we would just have like fun brother-sister fights. But when he picked me, I thought, is Cameron actually trying to torture me? Is he taking me on this reward so I can never have a night away from Cameron? And I have to listen to him speak relentlessly at high volume. That's what I thought. I was like, what is this guy doing? This is the most insane move I've seen in the whole game. Yeah. Taking me on the reward.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

Because there was a lot of discussion about people being annoying. Like even Caleb as well, throughout the season, it was like he's annoying everyone. And I kind of thought that that's why people were keeping him around as like a good person to take to the end. Because he's annoying. That's like the vibe I got. But then I couldn't have been, you know, more wrong. Seems like everyone loved the book. So yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

Well, Caleb is lovely. And just like Cameron. Cameron is lovely as well. And it's it's more there's just like these little tiny things.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

They're just noisy boys.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

They're just noisy. I mean, Caleb is so noisy, like so noisy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

I struggled, I'm not gonna lie. I really struggled. They did a good job of like packaging it towards the end where it felt like a win you could get behind. But in halfway through the season, I was like, if this guy wins, I'm rioting. But um he did a good job to win me over by the end. Um, all right, let's talk about your departure from the game.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

So sad.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

So sad. Um I guess you can't really call it a blind side, can you? When you you knew for a long time you were working against the odds.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Yeah, I mean, I I know I'm going home. Like I have my hair out, I crimped it for the night. Um, like, hello. Like, I know I'm going home. Um, I thought maybe they might want to do something, like, let's be a little bit unpredictable for once, guys. Um, but no, alas, the last returning lease.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

I did too, actually. Like watching at home, I something about the way they edited that episode. I was certain that like maybe Loz was on the chopping block and secretly hoping for it, mainly to keep you in. That was I was like, let's go with that. And then I was actually like I felt blindsided as a viewer. Also, you were getting you and Brooke were getting winner edit for a while. Um, full on. Like I thought that I really feel like they were giving us, but it was just because you were doing all this fun stuff, like the idol and your winning um challenges. So it's kind of like that uh lends itself for the audience to think, well, these are the finalists. Yeah, because even at this point, like Caleb wasn't getting much um airtime, really, besides being loud. So I was kind of shocked. This is when, yeah, I feel like the whole show did a 180 uh week seven, like when you left, because I was like, oh, then I was like, fuck, well, who's wait, what? Who's winning now?

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Can everyone just introduce themselves, please? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 38:36

Talk to me about Sally because this half idol move. I mean, I thought it was flop town, but um, I don't know, was it were people impressed on the ground?

SPEAKER_00 38:51

I was not impressed. No, um, and I think I think a few other people perhaps were not super impressed. Um, yeah, it it's not great jury management, that's for sure. Um, and I've got a lot of friends on the jury. You sure do? Um yeah, like a lot. Um, and they're pro pretty like big hitters on the jury too. And you know, we still get to go in there and we can still influence the other people as well, which is a lot of fun. Um, so it wasn't great jury management, but it was just really sad to see that idol not live out its life. You know, I feel like it wanted to live and it just Oh, highly frustrating as a viewer.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Like, because I think it felt like she'd been gassed up by production or whoever to like do something theatrical, but like we'll get to in a second, without any risk involved. You know, so in her mind, she's like, I've done this thing for the cameras or whatever, and it's like, yeah, but you didn't put anything on the line, and then nothing happened, yeah, and nothing happened, and then it didn't get played. The person who was, you know, in the minority left anyway. I just was a bit like, oh no. And I really, I really wanted to love Sally, and I wanted like great things for her game on the show, as I do with everyone on the show. But yeah, I just that it just really unfortunately let me down.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Um it was so devastating, honestly. I'm like, I'm already like the dead corpse, and I'm just being robbed on my way out. Like it was, yeah, it sucked, but um, I guess that's the way that it went in the end.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

I mean, I say all this, I'm saying all this, but like if I'm out there and I'm in a good if I'm sitting pretty, I'm probably sticking with that too.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Um, I think look, it's not the wrong move to vote me out. I agree, none of them could sit next to me, and I was really looking forward to sitting next to any of them, any of them. I was down. Um, so did she make the right move in voting me out? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

Yeah, oh yeah, big time.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Can anybody claim my move of like me being voted out of the game? I don't think a single one of them is able to. It's really hard. If anyone can, for me, it's Caleb. He has convinced Loz and Sally to kind of tank their own games and keep me in. Because when I left that night, I was like, this is Caleb's game to lose now. Like this is his game. Um, because I'd watched him the whole time too. Like I'd seen what he was up to. He was so good. Um, and so I just thought, you know, that's such a shame, Sal. Like you should have played it on Laws and created like a debt or doubt there with Laws in her mind that maybe Caleb was coming for her. You know, maybe you are closer with her because you've just played an idol for her. Um, yeah, it was it was a wasted idol. It was sad, really sad.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Bugger. Um, let's talk about you on the jury.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

Jury time, the hot new thing in the jury in the villa.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Great jury member. The villa looked fun. Bummed we didn't get a proper like jury villa show, because I think it would have been a good one with you and Mark. It could be clearly doing a lot of work to sway people, which is really fun. Um I thought your question was incredible at the final tribal. You were pretty much you were pretty much saying what what I was thinking, which was come on, boys, like where are these risky moves? Or you refer to them as crimes, which was very on brand. Yeah. We had to do that.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

I love it. But yes.

SPEAKER_03 42:29

No, it was good. Did you think Caleb and Jackson did fail to make risky moves, or were there some that maybe I'm not thinking about?

SPEAKER_00 42:40

In terms of real risk and like putting yourself in some tricky spots, um, I don't think either of them made those types of decisions. Um you know, Caleb obviously decides to vote out Mark, who he is really close to. That's kind of his big trophy move, I suppose. Was it a big risk? Not really. Everybody was going for Mark. Um, and you decided to slot into a majority by voting him off. And like, you know, you sealed your fate in that majority and you rode that through to the end. Which I love that for you, Caleb. Like it worked out very well.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Yeah, well, clearly you thought he played a better game than Jackson.

SPEAKER_00 43:19

Yeah, Caleb was up to a few other things that didn't care. So I'll tell you about that.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

Ah, please do.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Um, but you know, Jackson kind of does a similar thing to Caleb in a way, but Jackson puts himself in a minor minority. I mean, we don't know that it's gonna be a minority, it ends up being like a dead even split at that point, but he votes out his best friend, um, you know, goes into another group, but the group he goes into, he has like three gorgeous big shields who are probably gonna go before he goes. So is there huge risk in it? Not in terms of some of the things that I've done in my game, I wouldn't say, like if I was to hedge them against my own wrists. No, but you know, they were doing things. And so I'm so glad it was the two of them at the end. I loved a Caleb vs. Jackson. It was my fantasy when I was in Jury Villa, and so I'm glad that. That came true. But Caleb was also. I like people who are like a bit naughty and like doing naughty things.

SPEAKER_03 44:14

And so Caleby boy.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

He's a bit of a naughty boy. And like so Caleb was throwing out like the beans and rice at nighttime. And it it was his why didn't we see that? I know, but that's really good stuff. It didn't work out how he wanted it to work out, though. So that might be why we don't see it because Caleb doesn't win any challenges from it.

SPEAKER_03 44:36

Ah, true, true. And maybe he's trying to like starve us. And they wanted us to love him as viewers as well. So maybe they thought some viewers might find well, some some people I think maybe would be like, ugh. Whereas I'm like, I would have been like, yeah, do more. Throw it out, burn everything, burn the the Trab fucking camp down.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

As far as I'm concerned, Caleb is the one who put the maggots in the bed, like to drive us all insane. That's something Caleb would do. So that we just vote ourselves out. Yeah. Caleb would totally do that. So look, Caleb got up to a few extra things that really got him the win from me. Plus, yeah, I had watched him double agent his way through the game, and I could never get him out. He sat in this beautiful, sweet spot where he was enough of a threat that you knew about him and you were interested in him. But he was never urgent enough to take out of the game. And um that's a real sweet spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:39

Tell me about Loz. So this is another one where it's like, I feel like I'm missing something. I feel like I didn't see what really happened out there. Um yeah, like what did we miss with Laws?

SPEAKER_00 45:53

I I think we got it. Um, I think I think so. Look, I think I'm I'm keen to hear more Laws content. And like there wasn't a lot of Laws which sucked. And that happened to a few people actually, because I was really excited to see what were other people doing. Um, because I know what I was doing the whole time, but I want to know what what were they up to? Like, were they coming for for me or somebody else? Like, I want to know. We didn't get that, but I also didn't really work with Laws.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

So and she didn't seem very chatty or open to people.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

I think she, yeah, like I think she just kind of nestled in there really nicely with um with Caleb and and that side of things for a while until she got like closer with Cameron and Caleb and Sal, and they were kind of her people, and she didn't really venture out from that, which sucks. I mean, I would have worked with anyone.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

She did, she sort of gave us like there were a few times she was like, Oh, come on, ladies, let's do Girls Alliance, which I was like, you don't even believe that, Loz. Like, come on, right.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

I'm like, it's never happening, Loz.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Um, but she'd been voting.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

But would have been cool and out of the game.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

Yeah, exactly. But that would have been so good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Hey, that would have been so cool. And if and if it was true, I was down for it. I love working with other women. Like working with Faith was excellent. Working with Brooke, loved it. Like some of my best times are working with the girlies. So I was down for one last women's alliance, but I'd looked at law, like the evidence behind Laws is she's voted every woman out of the game. She's been actively writing my name down at tribal council the last few nights. And then the only way we could get it going was if I vote out Simon.

unknown 47:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

I'm like, give me Caleb or Cameron. Like, let's get some trust going in this women's alliance. Drop one of your people. Um, and I'm I'm in, girlfriend.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

Um, but I'm speaking of women supporting women, sounds like okay, I was gonna ask you about Sally, but you've already said you guys are mates. So I assume there's no no bad blood there, and everything's cute.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

I mean, Sal, I wanted that half a million dollars, damn it.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

I want some Mormon wives style drama. We need to be like, no, we have we've blocked each other.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

No, we've not. I love Sally. She's such, she is such a like a beautiful soul. She really is. Um Do I love how she voted for the out of the game? Oh, no, we don't. Um, but I but I adore her. She's such a cool chick. Um, she's like who everyone wants to be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Like she's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're a class actor. So you know this question's coming. Would you do it again?

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Okay, so the answer is yes. The short and sweet is yes. The more I think about it, the more I remember what it's like meeting 23 strangers and how shit that is. That I'm like, absolutely not. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

That's the thing. We are the same person because I love you. Like, not the not the no food or the thing you're just like having to deal with strangers. That would be my worst nightmare as well.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Nightmare. And like I'm happy to meet new people over a glass of wine, but meeting new people and when you can take yourself home at any point. Correct. Yeah, yeah, but not here, not on Survivor. Like, this is, and you know what I will say in Survivor. So you meet everyone on your first tribe, great. But if you don't get along with them, if you can get a little bit further, you get tribe swap, new people, new friends, great. And if you can keep going, merge, you get new people. But in merge, you're stuck with them. And I was like, damn it, I need some new people to come in. Like intruders, friends, literally. Like, can we get a survivor season with some last-minute intruders? That'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

The outrage, people would be like, that's not fair. I think that would be great. Just bring them in halfway through, plonk them up.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Intruder alert. I'm here for it because I was honestly like, oh my god, Keely, this is it for you, girl. This is it for your people. There's no more people. Um, so intruders.

SPEAKER_03 50:01

What about another show? Like, would you do the traitors? I think you'd be good on that.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

I haven't, I actually have not watched a whole season of the traitors either. And so I don't really know the rules. But um, I think that would be fun. Um, they sleep in a in a hotel and stuff like in that big mansion. Yeah, there's catering, exactly. Um, million dollar secret is probably more my style. Like put me in a French chateau. Um, one person is given a million dollars and they have to kind of like throw people off the scent, but as they win challenges, they get clues about the potential millionaire.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

Is this the Hulu one?

SPEAKER_00 50:34

It could be on Hulu. I think I watch it through Netflix, though. But you know, all the streaming channels, they're like so incestuous.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

Yeah, that's why I haven't watched it. Yeah, really good. I should give that one a go.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

Really good, really, really good. That's um that's more my style, I think, in terms of a strategy game, because you're yeah, like you're in a French chateau, like you're eating three course meals.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Um, I personally would love to see you play Survivor again, and I don't think it's that much of a crazy dream for me to have, to be honest. I think you killed the screen test and the babe test, and we're a great player. So, congratulations to you, Kylie.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

I appreciate it. I'm glad you enjoyed watching. I love listening to the pod, it's so sassy.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Thank you so much for joining us um on the pod. And yeah, it was not gonna lie, we were all a bit nervous about this season. When they change anything, it's like but I thought Golden Gob is great. Um, I thought it was really well.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

He's a great host, yes, such a good host, and he's funny. You know, some of the things he says are really funny. So more David.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

More David. Well, thanks, Keely, and um I'll talk to you soon. Talk to you later.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Bye.