Traitorgeddon (w/ Karin Gunatilake)

Australian Survivor alum Karin joins Sam to wade our way through the torrent of Traitors content we are currently drowning in. RIP Momma Kelce and the biggest flop twist ever, gamers be gaming, Colton is running around in sweatpants and Candiace is doing THE MOST. Thank god for our girl. With that, Karin and Sam recap the first three episodes of The Traitors US Season 4.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

This podcast was produced on the land of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. Welcome to Australia. Someone who is such a connoisseur of reality television. The content is hideous.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

So sorry about this. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

She's brainy. She's sprawny. She's regional. It's Karen. Welcome back to the Cringes Real. Doll, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:28

We're doing good. Um, I'm just, you know, my RM Williams are actually um, they're seeing actual mud. Wow. Not like, yeah, innocenty wanker RMs.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

You've like rubbed a bit of dirt on them.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

I've rubbed a bit of dirt on it. I actually like my friend took me horse riding and I was like, I don't have horse riding shoes. Can I wear like runners? She's like, no, you can't wear runners. And I'm like, can I wear my RMs? And she went, Yeah, because they're work boots, Karen. And I went, Oh, okay. But yeah, so they went on an actual like pair of stirrups. On no stirrups? I don't know what they're called. On a horse.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yeah. These boots.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

Where are you? You're living your country fantasy, but whereabouts?

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Um, I'm in Taralgan.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Oh, Taralgan. Okay, right. So is that hang on, are we marked safe from bushfires? That was more than this, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Yeah, it's we're I'm in like the bushfire region. Like I can there's like the other day it genuinely smelled of smoke.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

So like I'm in it smelt like smoke in the C video. Like we are we are officially all in the bushfire region.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah. Um there's like zero visibility at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Um it's apocalypto start to 2026, but yeah, still we rise.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

But yeah. And like, oh my god, it's just like I feel like I've been like hit by a trader's storm at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

It's Trader Geddon. Truly Trader Get.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

The only thing that would have like overstimulated me more if like Australian traders came out at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Okay, so I thought that maybe they were gonna do that. And then of course, they're not that stupid. Like 10 play are they have the right idea, they're streaming both the US and the UK seasons, and we get it like as soon as the Americans, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Which is like great.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Thank you very whoever negotiated that. Thank you very much. Um, but however, I do have to say, and I know you're not up to date on UK, so I'm gonna zip my motherfucking. Is it good? Babe, it's everything, it's so good. Like, and I feel so bad because this happens every year. I feel so bad for the US one because I'm like, I'm all excited to get into it, and you know, I'm a huge housewives girly, so I always get excited to see some of the dolls play the game. But I can't pretend that I'm not just kind of like eh a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

I've only so I I'm I've only started watching traders like religiously over maybe the last like six months. Um, but I've been religious with it. I've watched all of the UK seasons, uh, just finished like I finished celebrity. Um, and the UK seasons are magnificent.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

They're top tier. And it's look, so it despite these two series being filmed back to back on the same location with the same twists, everything, they could not be like more different. They're in like other universes, uh like like thematically. Um I will just say, without spoiling anything, from the UK, I do have a new kink that's been unlocked for.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

I've seen I've seen I know still you're talking about. It's it's going around, and that's the only thing I've seen, and I'm already like, okay, cool. It was like um, oh my god, Zac Efron's brother and his bubble bath. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Oh um Dylan, F.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Dylan, yeah, Dylan and his bubble bath from last season.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

It's giving that, but more new headstands are hot now.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Okay. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Everyone bring the karma suture back into your bedroom. Not mistake.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

But it's true, like they're such different choices, but it's just it's always gonna be different when you've got like celebs, and I use that term loosely because we have a there is a spectrum of celebrity on this show. But then compared to civilian seasons where like they actually the game is the focus, whereas the characters are the focus on the US one, which is fine.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Which is fine. I think it's like two different varieties of traders. I like the celebrity spin-off and like someone's cousin and like celebrity as she takes in, you know, the the the Kelsey's um Taylor Swift's soon to eat.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

We will we have much to discuss about mama, mama, and Kelsey, and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah, wow. But yeah, it's it's so thematically different. Like the UK, I remember watching season one and like the red breakfast happened. Um and it was it was like 7 a.m. in the morning. I just got my coffee, and I was just like, You're just gonna watch an episode of Traders, and I nearly flung the thing. And I remember like whipping out my phone and texting Annabelle, being like, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

I was gonna say, like, did Annabelle get you into the traitors show?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Yes, she did. She I was like, Annabelle, what do I do? Where does that? What do I do?

SPEAKER_02 5:24

This and she's just like she's so dizzy at the moment. I love it. She's like everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

She's both blessed and busy, like yeah, but you you know, you ask the queen herself, like you know, what where do I go? What do I do? And then she just gave me the list of things I have to watch to educate myself. And I just went, my god. And it's so great because it's not like survivor where you're like, oh my god, what's the gameplay? What's the strategy?

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Well, let's be real, it's not a real fucking game. Like, come on, and that's why I love it because it's so camp. It's a fucking like murder mystery in a castle. Like, come on, everyone. Like the people that are like, it's the gamers and the game, game, game. I'm like, sit down.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Not really. Because like you can get killed at any moment. So there's like for no reason. For no reason. Why? I don't know. She just has like that vibe. Like, why do you think she's a trainer? So yesterday in the library with a candlestick.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

I yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

But the yeah, the US version is a maximalist version, the UK one is like so nuanced, like they they really they're all trying really hard to figure it out, and they will go on the tiniest thing, like the tiniest thing. Whereas US, like already in these first three episodes, like firstly, let's just get it out of the way. That twist, because they did the same twist on both seasons, it was a flop tanna, like flop, flop, flop.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

I know, I thought it was gonna last a bit longer, and I'm like, these are people are delusional.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

I went, oh I think production uh pissed because the whole point and the genius behind this secret trader twist, which sorry Annabelle, I love it. I'm a huge fan of this twist. I think do it every year. I'm so into it. Annabelle hate it. He thought it was a bit meh, but I'm here to say I liked it, and this is why I liked it. It gave us a week because in the UK one, it's on three nights consecutively, kind of similar to how we screen stuff here. Yeah, and then there was a whole week between that third episode and the fourth episode where we found out who it was gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Um, where everyone went rabid online trying to figure it out. And it was like we got to play the game at home, like genius, yeah. Um, so fun. Whereas boy, did they fuck it up so hard in the US.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Yeah. I I I don't know if they like got the selection wrong or like the trope of the I think they got the selection wrong, and the trope of the character that they picked really didn't fill their trope well.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

I think they thought that she could do a better job of it than she was able to. I have heard she has been she's been in a few Hallmark movies, so she has had some acting jobs. Has she? Of course she has. I don't know. So Hallmark coded. She's like, she's America's mother.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

I didn't know she was America. I like I anyway.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Like I'm so far away from the Swifty sphere. Like, I'm beyond.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

I'm pretty sure like I titled my notes anti-Swifty Behavior. Completely anti-Swifty behavior.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Of course, like like the like the combined fandoms of those two, like, of course, they're gonna want new audiences to come to the show, and they're gonna want to see Mama Kelsey front and center. So they've done that, and everyone figured it out. It's like not hard.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Let's let's be honest, Taylor Swift put the NFL on the map. I'll say I did yeah, she started it, and then maybe Mama Kelsey with you know if if the if the marketing ploy worked, Mama Kelsey and Taylor Swift would have put Peacock and Traders on the map.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Let's be real though, like she's not America's mother, she's America's mother-in-law, yeah. And that's not someone I want hanging around the breakfast table. Like, she was, I'm gonna say it, she was a dead corpse on screen.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

I thought she, I don't know, in like so my initial impression, I think I wrote in my notes, I was like, Oh, Mama Kelsey, you've got like poker face, and then I think it was just the fact that I was like, that's generous. I think it was just the lack of the face.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

She was deceased before the season started.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

She's at the round table, like she was embalmed.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

And then when she the the giveaway was when she was like, Oh, but I'm so starstruck by all of you. I'm like, bitch, these thirsty motherfuckers are starstruck by you, and they want to invite to that wedding.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

100%. I was like, why aren't you capitalizing this more? I would have just been like, oh yes. When uh Taylor comes all the time, she loves my three-layer dip.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

She's there like talking about was it Stevie Nicks or Paul McCartney?

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Paul McCartney.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

And then everyone's like, okay, darling. Okay. There is echelons. There's private jet levels of wealth involved here. What is because what is Tyler Swift's net worth? I mean we looked it up.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Like in the billion.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Net worth Tyler Swift.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Like, I think Travis Kelsey. 1.6 billion. Yeah, and Travis Kelsey is worth about like 1% of that, I think.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Yeah, which we we love.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah. Um women in power. Women in male-dominated roles.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Um, should we get into this week? Oh, first, I want to ask you um who are your cast standouts after week one?

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Um so um my standout so far, um, Candace, my god.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

Yes, Candace to a basset.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Oh, she's so good. She's just like, she's serving everything from face, expression, conger line.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

Like she's doing the most.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

She's doing the most, and it's not like girl, you're trying too hard. It's like this is this is just you. You're a housewife. You just you you do your thing. Um, and then of course, uh Trisha. Trisha? Yeah. Is it Trisha? No, not Trisha. It is Trisha. Porsche, no, no, no, Porsche. Uh, what's her name? She's from Big Brother.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Oh, Tiffany.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Uh no, Tiffany, my god, not Trisha.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Okay, please tell me. So Tiffany hasn't moved my needle very much. So tell me, what's what's she doing? I guess she's like making a good TV. She's like on to oh no, she thinks she's on to uh Michael. Michael.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

No, so I think she's I so my theory is she's got either the like a really like she like the it's the Natalie Anderson co. He's either a really good trader or he's just a bad faithful. However, he's still enough of like a smoke bomb to hide behind, like it's a really good like shield technique, like a human shield. Like this guy's making so much yeah, this guy's making so much coin.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

He's doing too much. That's too quickly back to Natalie Anderson. Wow, does not she look incredible? She looks incredible.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Did you see it with it?

SPEAKER_02 12:20

The best she's ever looked. I was like, what the what this regime I need to know?

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Oh my gosh, she doesn't do a single thing wrong. She's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

And when she was like pulling, like pushing that chariot, I was like, the action shots of her running and like pushing things.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

I was like you could see every like striation on her deltoid. Like, how do you do that, girl? And like the face card like did not decline once. Like, I'm like there, there are no words to describe how much of an Natalie Anderson fan are. I will like lay my life on the line for that woman.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

How do we feel about King of the Survivor Nerd's Rob Sestranino's flop Tana performance?

SPEAKER_00 13:04

No, in like I like devastated, actively devastated, but he was doing too much. Like, boy, don't tell people like that you think that there's gonna be a murder inside because people think are too smart already, they already think the game is a hard.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

Just like you need to be Donna Kelsey and just be like, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

I don't know who you are. I'm just a grandma.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

You're right. You can't walk in and be like, I've watched every episode of every show ever.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Yeah, and like, oh, it's like it breaks my heart because I love him and I like really desperately want to see him do well.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Looking snatched, I was like, he looked good.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Um, but like boy, don't don't don't don't be too smart.

SPEAKER_02 13:51

I feel for the Survivor players show because it's like so the whole gaming thing drives me nuts because it's like firstly, not the same game, and as we've established, not a game at all. Um so leave them alone. Like, I just it's like they're not really that threatening. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Over the survivor, but the thing is, like, survivors also had like some incredibly like crafty players, like you know, Cari Fields, Rob, Rams, like you know, they were like master boss, they did well, and I think Natalie's doing the right thing, but just being like, I'm like super jack, you need me for challenges, I'm just gonna go out here and like this, yeah, no, quite literally, and everyone's sort of like looking, and she's also like just an absolute baddie, so everyone's like, Oh my god, we love her, like we love this queen.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Her and Monet kind of kicking. I was like, that's a table I want to sit at.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

A hundred percent. Whereas Yam Yam is not doing it for me, he's so shady.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

I I'm here for Jam Jam only because, only because Michael Rappaport, the piece of shit that he is, is being so overtly racist and homophobic that I I feel like protective.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

I am I'm protected of jam for that, but I also think he's being so shady. He's really just giving it back to him.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

That I'm enjoying, but also I'm not gonna lie, Michael Rapperport is low-key ruining the show in the same way I felt about Rob Boston Rob last year. Yeah, just doing that for me, where it's like, sit the fuck down.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Like, just shut up. I get it, but you always need those like toxic grenade type people for I know. I hate it. I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

I say this is someone that watches maths, like I really can't say that I don't like him on my screen. Of course, it's fun seeing it, but it's like like Rob Sistranino said, it's like, dude, because you're being so distracting, we can't even have any real conversations about what we need to be doing here, which is finding the trades, because you're just kind of like yapping.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

It's like, oh, why do we know that the challenge is over? Because I said so. It's a timed challenge, you buffoon.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Oh, how do we know it's over? Because I said 45 minutes, it's now 46.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

My standouts from week one were, and this is just who grabbed my attention. And it's these are not my favorite people. Obviously, I'm a huge house-size fan, but unfortunately, besides Candace, none of them have really grabbed my attention. Um, oh my god, Miss Porsche, like bit it. Porsche, girl, we'll get to you. Colton Underwood is someone that I love to hate, and unfortunately, he is very attractive. Um, and he's getting a lot of screen time, I've noticed. They're trying to give us Dylan Ephron baby girl edit with him, and I'm not falling for it. No, but I do enjoy him in track suit pets running around.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

But like, other than that, like he's not really giving much.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

No. He's not, but for weirdly, he's getting screen time, which makes me think, is he going to the end? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

It's like or is he just like the generic, like placid, weird white boy.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

Maybe. Maybe I think they know he he has pulled.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Okay, keep going. My other fave was Mora because I'm I don't really fuck with Love Island too much, but I just she those look that fucking latex look she walked in.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

But she's also serving a whole lot of nothing.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

I know, but I just a hot Irish girl.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Something about there is not Ting in there.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Not Ting. I want to go out with her so bad and just like get on it.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

I I have no doubt, like a couple of espresso martinis in will have a vibe in time. But I think I would drive myself insane.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Yeah, but she's standing out to me. I know the looks are saying she's having fun, she's very wrong. She's like trusting Mr. Snake Ranger who is like not to be trusted. Look at him. Oh my god. Beautiful to be trusted.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

I I remember like just I started writing my notes and I was like, oh, I love a I love a toxic Love Island boy. You are so attractive.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

I um he's disgustingly attractive.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Disgustingly attractive.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

And I hate that he's so he knows he's hot. I know, but it's not annoying.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Normally it's annoying, but with him, I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Okay. I I was just like, oh my god, why? Again, like you are so toxic. You've literally got a snake tattooed across your shoulder.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

That's like tats are hilarious. It's like, oh, just in case you didn't know that I wrangle snakes, get it? It's very bad.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

I'll wrangle his snake.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Any, I mean the other character that I loved this week is Ron. I think Ron is like one of the main characters.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

He's doing a lot as a comedian, but I think it's fun. And the way he was like so onto Porsche in a way, in the the way that I also would have been, because let's girl fucked it up so bad.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

I honestly, I was like, Are you the secret trader? Did you I thought she could have been. Yeah, because she fucked it up. Like royally fucked it up. What did she say?

SPEAKER_02 19:13

She's like, oh, when we killed him, and then followed immediately by there's four traders.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

And I'm like, girl, how do you think?

SPEAKER_02 19:20

There's four traders, right? We all we all know that, right? And they're just like gnosis.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

But she just made that up anyway. When someone is like so out of the loop and like dense, I'm sorry, Porsche, that you fuck up. Like anyway. But otherwise she was so good.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

She was good. She would have been. Let's whip through these three apps. Episode one was called Let the Cards Fall As They Will. And they've gone for this tarot theme this season, which looks good. The prime moment. This show is it's looks expensive. It looks more expensive than the costume budget alone. Thank you for saying that. Because I did have a low-key argument with some friends that I watched this with. No, because get this. We're watching it, and I'm like, I turn to someone, I'm like, how much do you reckon they get for these looks? Yeah. Someone's like, oh no, they've just all brought those from home. I'm like, uh, they there is styling.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah. Like at least. It's it's not like Survivor where you get like your approved 15 outfits and then you're like, Lulu Lemon fucking and your sarong. And your trackies from fucking Rip Curl. Like Miss Thing. Where did you get that late? And your yeah, exactly. Um, even like what's it called? Um like Moira's latex, Johnny's outfits.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Like Johnny's outfits are killing me. They're so good. Yeah. Um, even like Colton in the varsity jacket with the like, come on.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

And then he's like too much. It's a bit like they're costumes, they're costumes. You don't you don't have that in your closet. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Yeah, even Mama Kelsey had like this ridiculous brooch.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Yeah, it's one episode.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

I was like, you know, those diamonds are real.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Mama Kelsey, you wear trackies. I've seen you in like the you know, the dugouts. Is it a dugout? I don't even know. I don't even watch NFL.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Like the super PD now. Yes. Anyway, so it looks expensive. Uh, we we learn about the secret trader twist. So if you're playing along at home with the UK as well, you knew this was coming. Um, because we were a few weeks ahead. But I was interested, I wasn't sure if they were gonna do the secret trader twist or not. But there was a a little bit differently, it was done. So the card thing, they didn't do that on UK, they just did it at the round table.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

Um, but similarly, we at home don't know who it is.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

But the UK one's different because the the secret trader knows who the traders are in the UK.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Which I think would have helped Miss Kelsey. Yeah, but she needed some help. For Rob R. Yeah, which like, but that's not interesting. Like, see when that happened, I was just like, oh, okay, well, that's dumb.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Because I I I was thinking like Rob R was giving um Harry from season two of UK Traders kind of vibe, you know, like cute little heartthrob boy. He is too cute to yeah, but he was absolute like villain. Like, um, and I thought maybe I was like, Mama Kelsey, are you sensing a bit of that? You know, you did like raise two NFL boys, like maybe you're you're sensing, you're sensing some something.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

He goes, Snake Wrangler, he goes, This is crazy. It's like two hours in, I haven't even made out with anybody yet.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Like, also towards the end, Mama Kelsey, is she single? I'm like, oh god, tell us I was gonna get a father in law.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

I loved that. He knew exactly what he was doing then.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Exactly. I was like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Um Candace Dillard Bassett is chaos and perfect choice for trader. I was so happy that they picked her. It's interesting though. So all of the housewives that have been on the show, correct me if I'm wrong, Karen, but they're never active housewives. They're all on pause or on a show that's been cancelled or whatever. Like none of these housewives are currently on a show, which is great because it makes them you know Dorina is famously on pause. So it's kind of like they make them really. I feel like Peacock NBC are like do a good job on the traders, and you never know. Maybe we'll get you back. It feels like they're trying so hard for bits, which I love. Uh Rina was a good choice, but I'm not gonna, I think there's just so much expectation with Rina. And she didn't give that much this week. I'm I'm sorry to say.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Like, I like I she's doing a lot better than I thought she would be. And then there was a comment uh who they're like, Oh yeah, Lisa would run her own grandmother over. And I was like, Okay, I'm intrigued. She would. She would. And she I was like, Alright, is she gonna run over um what's her name? Um Mama Kelsey, and she sort of did. The people's grandmother's gone.

SPEAKER_02 24:19

The people's grandma.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

People's mother, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

They meet the three of them meet together in the turret and they learn about the secret trade of twist. How annoyed would you be?

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Oh, I would be I would be livid. I'm just like, excuse me, I I wanted to be in power. I had power, now I don't have power because I have to listen to what someone else says. I'm not gonna trust anyone else's design. Like I've already got to deal with two other people. Now I have this there's a third.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

I know it's yeah. I think as well, like the way that because these people are all known and they're all from different pools of like washed up statum. It's annoying because then you can do a bit, and they all do it. They're all like, well, there's gotta be a housewife and there's gotta be a gamer, and blah blah blah. I think what this show needs is the crew from Ripple's Drag Race to appear with the little bingo balls.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

And it needs to be straight up random who they are. Like, I'm sorry. I know production wanna like make sure the show is fun by picking people that are gonna bring good trader drama, but it's getting to the point where that is required because I don't think it's entertaining watching a group of reality stars do numbers game on the cohort.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

And it's and like also like the the like the game gamers always like go towards like you know, as soon as you know a survival player is gonna throw up, let's do an alliance, and like Nat Anderson did it, and it was great. It's like let's get these idiots to make an alliance, and I was like, Oh, she's back.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Nat Anderson is so like two minutes into the game, she's like, just so you all know, I'm a fucking faithful.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

It's so good. It's like Nat Anderson back on like San Juan Delcer, just being like, they're all idiots. I thought she was gonna do full do like a Johnny Rocker thing and just hit Michael Rappaport across the face. I'm like, do it, girl, do it, go for Robert.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

That's to come. That meme of Nat, like with the like going outside heaven. It's great. Um, yeah, I think something needs to give because it's too weird. But this episode ends with the traders reading from the Secret Traders short list, and it's Rob. Uh so yeah, Lisa Brennan's like, it's you, Ian, Mark, and Eric. So all men, which I think is kind of giving away that it's a woman, perhaps.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Yeah, but also I think I think Mama Kelsey missed an opportunity to put Durinda on the list for some drama.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Like she's way too sweet for that. But I love darkness. They should have just done it.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

They shouldn't have done it, like honestly. They should have been like, Mama Kelsey, I know you want to get rid of the boys, but you don't understand how funny this is. Make Dorinda sweat, please.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Totally. But this was the first Loptana mistake for me because I was like, well, she clearly has now let them know that she doesn't know that Rob R is a traitor, which is like kind of useful for the traders, but not I know, I just I don't understand. It's not entertaining, it's not interesting game mechanics. I just thought it was like kind of dumb and random.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Yeah, like it would have made sense to like, I don't know, hit up one from each like variety of player, like hit one of the housewives, hit one of the gamers, hit one of the other nonsensical corner thing. I don't know, what's his name? Um, the guy from One Tree Hill.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Oh, he's got no airtime.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

He was also boring as hell on One Tree Hill.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Was he on a movie? That's why I'm like, why is his thing say One Tree Hill? I'm like, no, no, he was big on One Tree Hill.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

He was Brooke Davis' boyfriend, and he was also a wet blanket then.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

That's a truly random choice for this show, this cast, but hey, better than that. I know.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

And it was also funny that he thought he was a big, strong man and his team like lost.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Look, dancing with the stars is next, surely, for him. Uh, episode two is called The Death Conger, which Candace Jeff's Kiss from Well done. Candace. Uh, we start in the conclave with the traders going through the short list. They agree that Ian is a gamer and therefore dangerous. But also, Big Brother, can we just talk about Big Brother, like the American version of Big Brother for two seconds? I think I would rather like cut my foreskin off than watch that show. Like, it just sounds so boring. Like, what it is it straight up Survivor in a House? Because that sucks, man.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

I think so. I've never watched a single episode of it, but everyone's like, no, it's there's so much strategy.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

They're getting I don't think what strategy snooze.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

I I've only watched like I don't even watch Australian Big Brother. I'd rather claw my eyes out.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Um But it it's it's it seems like But hey, at least we had Gretel Colleen and late night shower scenes.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

It it's it's kind of like Love Island, but there's games involved. That's what I thought Australian Big Brother was. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Yeah, but Australian Big Brother, yeah, it's not great either, but at least it's just kind of like it's a popularity contest, and at least it's like you there's interesting people in there. I don't know. Strategy only gets me so far.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

I think, but in a way, like I think traders is very much a popularity contest as well. It's like you, if you're a trader, you want to kill people that you know are never gonna get banished because they've got so much credibility and clout and everyone loves them. And if you're a faithful, you just want to be loved and beloved by everyone. And it's a popularity contest. And it's also why, like every season, as soon as they're like, let's find the shifty players, and it's always like the Asian and people who are that's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

It's a popularity contest, and it's a training module for unconscious bias in the workplace because I swear to God, it's like that's the thing when you have nothing to go of, yeah, the people that stick out, anyone that can be othered for any reason will be. And I actually think that's really interesting to watch play out. Um, in the UK at the moment, there's uh some discourse around that as well, which is really interesting, just seeing, yeah, people of colour get banished and murdered. Really interesting to watch play out, but also yeah, upsetting.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Upsetting. And like I think I think like in the in the grand scheme of things, all these shows are really interesting because they are social experiments in a way. Yeah, and you do sort of like, but then it's kind of disappointing because they're like, Oh, is this the current temperature of like the social sphere in real life as well?

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Well, also, Peacock, why why are we only allowed one drag queen per season? What's that about? Why who did who at HQ decided that there's only one drag queen?

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Do you imagine two queens?

SPEAKER_02 31:08

No, kind of two. No, no, no. Then they might start to collude the the gay agenda might start to fucking work. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Like, what the fuck? If you put two queens on a show and you put two rival queens, my god.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

But imagine Bob and Monet on the same season. That's how it should have been. Incredible. I'm sorry. That that would have been so fun to watch.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Because then they don't like, you know, they don't feel isolated, they've got someone they can kiki with as well, but they've also got different focal points. Like they're not the only person there. It's which is great.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

Monet's secret relationships, they put on all the civilian seasons. It'd be like doing that, but you know, they'd be known to be friends. I don't know. I think try that. Just my my free advice for you, Paco. Try putting on more than one drag queen.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

More than one drag queen. I think we've yeah, like we know the survivor players, whatever. Big brother players, whatever. Live island, like just just I'll need the big brother players.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

No, actually, what was her name last year? Danielle. Danielle. She was messy as fuck and hilarious. Loved her. But Ian, sorry to see you go, mate.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Like, you would have been okay, but I think you would have been like, ooh, game, okay, the strategy. X was Y plus 2, and if we put it into that person, no. I actually never watched him play, so I could be completely wrong. I'm so sorry, Ian. Um sorry, Ian. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Uh it's breakfast time, and Monet brings up the kituation.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Oh. Yes, we love the kituation.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Which was the Porsche Candace drama. So after the first mission, Candace in the car. I love, they should have cut back to this more because it was really funny. It was Candace in the car, like verbatim saying, Michael said, Oh, we're gonna get those housewives.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

And Porsche was like, and then I did not say that. You misheard me. I said earlier, and I'm like, Miss Thang, you did not. And Maura being like, I don't, I don't remember god dang team. I don't remember any team. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

I don't remember what team I was on. Iconic.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

In my head, I'm like, are you the secret trader?

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Are you that's like a gameplay we're talking about here, which is stunning? Like, oh that was UK. Like, oh anyway, Candace would have been the first one. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, Dorinda arriving at the breakfast to a standing ovation. Oh, I loved that so much.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Um, you know what? Thank you. Miss Dorinda needed to catch a break, and I'm glad that she's had more than two seconds on of three times.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

I didn't realize she didn't even make a breakfast last time. I thought she meant like second episode or something. Was she first murdered? She must have.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

Yeah, she was just she was just out of there, and I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

That's right, because it wasn't fucking was Buster Rob causing all kinds of well, he hadn't been introduced at that point.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

He hadn't been introduced yet.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

I think it was like Housewife on this it was Wes from the challenge.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

No, because they got they they got introduced later, but I think it was like Housewife on Housewife drama. Was that it? I'm getting my wise crap. I didn't remember Jura Durinder.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

It was homophobia, regardless of what happened. Um these thirsty bitches want a wedding invite so bad the way Donna is just being sucked up to, but like not targeted yet. I was like, because she's not mentioned, she's not said a single name.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

No, and like she's not providing much. I thought, like, you know, like the you know the the classic sort of like old person in these scenarios, uh beloved, like the UK season, like um, I remember I forgot her name. I nearly cried when she got um killed or banished. Like, I can't remember, but I like god, I love her. Um, and it was like Stephen Fry, like, oh my god, how could you? How good you banish him.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Top tier, top tier. Yeah. Uh Eric and Mark enter with the sexy snake wrangler. So the traitors uh well, the whole group now know that Ian was murdered. Um, yeah, so speculation commences. Ron is all over Porsche, who continues to put her foot in it.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

Like it was like a it was a significant foot in it. Like, I was bad. I've never seen someone cook it so badly. And someone's like, no, I think who said it? I think it was Candace. So she's like, no, no, no, she is actually just like she ain't doesn't have a clue. Like that she's not, she's not like a trap.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

I mean, I love it for Candice because she yeah, she really turned it around. I was like, there's no way Candace is surviving that fuck up, like point blank lying about what someone said in the car.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Anyway, and then it was just corroborated by um Portia just outing herself unnecessarily.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

I know.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Oh gosh. Anyway, the mission, the next mission is the chariots. Oh um, this is when the entitlement of Mr. Rappaport becomes evident clear to everyone.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

But it's my my favorite part was just, you know, Nat Anderson loves the challenge, and it was just like buckle up, bitches. And I was like, Yes, ma'am, I will I'm buckled, seated, I'm ready. I'll I'll go where you go.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Anyway, strapped in. I was uncomfortable at this. Like he's so there's just that sort of masculine energy makes me so uncomfortable. And just him being like, he's being a crybaby. He's like, oh but how do we figure out who gets the shields? Because I I would like a shield. It was literally where.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

You didn't even find one. Like, yes, you get to decide if you can swap it someone. If you find one, it's not like I'm gonna you're gonna stand on the side and be like, oh, so I've been targeted. I'm like, no trader would kill you because you are doing such a good job of being an obnoxious twat.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

So the way he didn't know that like people that like traders could also have the shields, I fully believe like later on. Someone accuses him of playing dumb with that with the rules. I think it was Donna. Yeah. But nah, I genuinely think that's fucking dumb.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

Um, and it was just so oh yeah, it was just so much noise. Like, shut up.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

Jam jam. I don't know. I just really feel like being targeted like that is very unfair. And then just being like, you're a trader, it's just like you don't actually think that, you just don't like him because he's different from you, and you are hugely biased. Like, I don't even want to talk about it on this platform, but if you want to go have a look at some of the shit that man has said, I actually think it's insane that he has been cast on this show, like deplorable, truly. It's like putting fucking Pauline Hansen on a show.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Oh I mean, like just inflammatory because and you can tell, like, even his normal like rhetoric on any form of social media is just inflammatory to be inflammatory.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

It's not yeah, it's fucking rage bait. Even his whole thing, he's running for mayor. Shut up.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

No one's gonna no, you don't even know how to spell mayor. Please go away.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Um so Jam Jam, Colton, and Stanbury win shields. Um I fucking love Caroline Stanbury a lot, by the way. And yeah, I'm gonna need a little bit more from her.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

I don't, I don't, I can't say I'm familiar with her work. Apparently, we see Real House of Dubai.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Yeah, ladies of London, Real House Ives Dubai, and then most recently she rocked up as a little cameo on Real House Ives of London, which we've covered on the pod. Uh, and she's just fun. She's yeah, she's got a hot little toy boy. Does she? She looks incredible. I don't know. She's just she's fucking good.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

I wrote, I think I wrote in my notes like the turret is quite literally the housewives and their toy boy.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

And her and Dorinda are legitimately good friends. Like, there was a scene on um London where they're both involved. So, like, yeah, they know each other.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Okay, okay, cool. Interesting. All right, yeah. I think it's it's adding to the thing that we just need more from the housewives. Like, you like play a part, ladies. We we you are cast for a reason. Come on in.

unknown 39:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

They okay. This was so awkward when they finished this mission, and Alan's like, you had 10 minutes left. I was like, sorry, I would have cut that out. That just tells me that these challenges are full of shit.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

Like I'm not even pretending now that it's down to the wire.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

Yeah, because like the UK ones, every single one of them, it's like three, two.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

I was like, three. It's it's it's like Master Chef. It's like three, two, one. I'm like, I mean, where is the clock? I want to see this stopwatch.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Like, it's because they're absurd challenges, and I'm like, there is not a chance in hell that all of you got out in time. Like the pyrotechnics and shit going off in some of them. Yeah, exactly. The things being blown up and set on fire, and I'm like, really? There's like OHNS, like there is no way that you're like, oh yeah, well, if they don't make it, they don't make it. What am I supposed to do? Sorry. Oh, what happened to the housewives? Oh, one of them got blown up.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

Oops. Ron is pushing the Porsche agenda. We love to see it. Uh also I love his tracksuit moment. That was clearly a style, a style collab with the onset stylist.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

I've written Natalie is not a swifty. No, not a swifty. It was just like, everyone sit down. Miss Kelsey. I don't believe you.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

So good. And at this point, look, I'm not gonna lie, I at one, I was like, Miss Kelsey is probably gonna be the secret trainer, which is how flop this twist was. And then, yeah, I fucking get her, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

I I honestly thought they would have picked someone better, which is why I was like, Yeah, you're not really doing anything, and you're not, you just yeah, I I I didn't pick it at all. I thought it was Tiffany, because I'm like, ooh, what are you doing here? And then at one point I was like, oh my god, did they pick Moira as the secret trader? Is she is that why she's being so dense?

SPEAKER_02 41:33

And I don't know, but no, we're totally skipping cautious banish. She gets banished first in this episode, uh, which fair. Um, everyone was shook to find out she was favorable. I was I was like, she could be the secret trader, but then I was like, who would be that messy at that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

But it would have been like monumental if they got a secret trader out on the first go.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

Like that would have been that would have been the ultimate flop, but yeah, like that's embarrassing. So flop that it flops back around into icon.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

Like, honestly, I would have just been like, alright, stop the show. Porsche, you're going. We're gonna cast a new housewife and we're gonna start the show again. Like, well, sorry, the last 25 hours don't exist. We're going again.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

After the round table, the traders are given a secret mission, it's the murder in plain sight. But with the tarot cards, this is different from the UK. This was a bit whatever.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Yeah, like the tarot cards, like it was like the whole, you know, um, like in the previous seasons, uh, like, you know, poverty having to give the like the poison chalice and like the kiss of death, um, etc. Like that was cool because you had to act yeah, sneaky, and then people got really sus about it, being like, Did you touch anyone? Did someone shake your hand?

SPEAKER_02 42:49

No, this was so dumb, and it was so staged, like the candle, like they light the card on fire in a candle, and then only to throw it into a fireplace, which was all shot afterwards. It was like close-ups and stuff. Yeah, I just telling me they did that with people outside. Like, no.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Like, it would have been cool if like you did it in front of people, like the whole, like, you know, um uh what's it called? Celebrity traders, where um oh my god. What's this? Oh my god, why am I forgetting his name? Alan King. Alan.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Sorry, yeah, Alan is when he had to say something or cheers something.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

He's like sweating and like trying to like pass off this um iconic, absolutely sweating. Um, whereas this, no.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

Can you imagine someone doing something as sus as this on the UK? Like it the cut between the conga line and the like let's that play chess. Yeah, I'm like, you could have figured out all three trainers, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:44

In one go. Like UK, they're they're a hundred percent on to you, and like they don't like leave people alone. Like there's always somebody with somebody. It's like the you know, the Boston Rob buddy system technique, but yeah, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Rob C is sus straight on. Yeah. Um he's like But I'm like, boy, don't tell people.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

I know like you can't trust them. You don't know. Like maybe talk to your like survivor buddies. I don't that's the thing. I haven't seen like the survivor and are they doing it?

SPEAKER_02 44:13

Is there been a thing?

SPEAKER_00 44:15

I don't know. I don't know. Because like I feel like either they haven't like the it's like in B Real, like Nat's not really talking to like Rob C, Nat's not talking to Jam Jam. Like Jam Jam's pretty much just being anti-survivor by throwing Rob C under the bus. I was like, what what's what's happening here? What are y'all doing?

SPEAKER_02 44:33

And Jam Jam's like new era, right? So it's kind of like a different tier.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Different vibe. Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Um yeah. Anyway, overall, it was sent me.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

I thought it was like a meh.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Yeah, it was a meh, murder in plain sight, and the short list made me so mad because I had so many faves on there. It was Rob C Monet, Kristen, who also looks incredible. Right. I love super pretty lesbian. That's like my vibe.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

Yeah. And she's she's dunny. Like, but I also don't get it. Like, why why are we why are they on the short list?

SPEAKER_02 45:09

A lot of my faves are on that short list, yeah. And then we find out in episode three, which is called Show Me Your Faces. Um, that yeah, Rob C um we lose Rob C, which was fucking yeah, it was Dorinda levels of like arbitrary.

SPEAKER_00 45:25

I I think like all of like the Survivor fandom just like pretty much like heeled over and died.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

Like you probably just checked out from watching it, to be honest. Yeah, but but that's the thing, and that's why it's so dumb with these celebs. Because yeah, all the fans come to watch their faves or whatever, and like Dorinda, it's just like there's no control over who's gonna go. So many people are going at so many times, such a big cast, and you've you've got these filler people, let's be honest, and then they stay to the end, like like that fucking Lord guy. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

Oh yeah, what I didn't I didn't mind the Lord guy, he was just a bit meh, but I was like, okay, you're there. I don't know what you where you're a lord of.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

No, he was Prince Andrew coded.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

Oh god, oh my god. So sorry, this is like pink. Um, so when I was in like primary school in like the Middle East, Prince Andrew did like a trip. What? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:21

Are you okay? Do you need therapy?

SPEAKER_00 46:24

No, so so this is the thing. Mum has since then gotten rid of this photo because we we had to do like a school present.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

It's in an evidence locker.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Oh my god, we had to do a school presentation, and I'm giving the presentation. I think I was like seven. And there's a photo. What this is the last thing I thought we'd be talking about tonight. There's a just literally a photo of me like pointing out some like, I don't know, something about like the British monarchy I'm doing, and I'm like pointing it out, and Prince Andrew's like looking at the thing, and it's just a photo of like me and him. And like for the longest of time, mom would be like, Oh my god, this is when Karen like presented this thing. And I'm like, Mom, where'd that photo go? She's like, Don't talk to me about it.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

She's like, it's in the bin. Wow. Swiftly moving on, swiftly moving on from but incredible. Uh Candace is hilarious. She still doesn't know who's been murdered because they did it without her, because she was too busy going in a not at all conspicuous way.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

Uh, then also, this is so funny. At the start of the episode, and I can't believe they did this because it was like the episode where we find out and we banish the secret trader. Alan's like, if they pass the mission, they'll be reunited with the secret trader tonight. It's just like, why put that in the edit? Like, don't remind like don't remind us that.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

Because that would have been great. And it didn't even happen.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Like, like in Alan, Alan, please.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

He does Alan have like a voice in his ear, or uh so uh like it's I I find Alan in his delivery to be very scripted. Because of course, I'm sure Claudia has a script as well. But for some reason, I think Claudia adds a lot more bits, and I think it's very genuine. She also like often oversteps and provides her opinion on things, which I love. Exactly. Alan, not so much. He does he Alan does some off the cuff bits every now and then, which I feel fun, but it's playing a character.

SPEAKER_00 48:38

Yeah, and then like Claudia, I feel like she gets into it and like she cares about them anyway. She goes, enormous luck, enormous luck.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

She lives and breathes that shit.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Yeah, yeah. Um whereas like and like we know we you know when like Celia farted. Oh I fart when I'm nervous. I do too. I do too.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

Oh Alan it was like that's the thing, yeah. It was yeah, look, I think uh Alan's grown on me. The first season I struggled so hard with him. I was like, this sucks. Like this guy is just trying so hard to do the whole flamboyant thing. And look, that's probably what they wanted from him, but I think he's like toned it down a little bit now, and I can tolerate it, but yeah, it's yeah, it's still sort of like he's growing on me.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

I can't say that he's my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

No, definitely not. I'm so excited to see how Gretel goes when we get our next season. Oh my god. I I'm so nervous about that. I'm so nervous.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

It's like it could be it could be the biggest hot mess of the century, which is what Australian Traders is known for. Like like hot mess of the hot mess, like biblically, you know, good.

SPEAKER_02 49:54

Either way, we get to see Kirby and your mate AJ. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be really fun.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

We've so much fun. It's not much fun.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

Uh Queen Mora is like, well, this is a lovely breakfast. Uh, referring to Michael and Jam Jam just like going at it. It's like breakfast, guys. Like, surely that's out of bounds for like this kind of behavior.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

I don't know. And I think and the thing is, like, you can tell, like, it's it's not just like a playful, like, ha ha ha ha ha. It's like genuinely like there's hatred, like yeah, there's like real animosity, which is why it becomes really awkward. Yeah, you know, when people are like, you call me a traitor, rah rah, rah, rah, rah, and then everyone just like gets on with it. Whereas this, no, ugh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

Then Alan enters looking like a cockatoo and says, guys, guess what? We're doing a round table right now before the challenge, which I was like, okay. And this is when Soz Swifties, but Mama gets taken out.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

I ugh, I don't know if it would have changed had it been after the challenge, or would Mama Kelsey have just been as terrible?

SPEAKER_02 51:06

True. I don't know if that I I think people were or were onto it low-key. Yeah, I just think the fact that she didn't suggest anyone or yeah, offer anything.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

The cause of it all. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:22

Hmm. And I feel like the editing was sort of like heavy-handed so that it didn't look like she was that bad. Maybe she and she was actually that bad.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

Well, even in the flashbacks, like, because this is when they first revealed this twist, I was so excited about the flashback we're gonna get to like them making all the decisions and whatever. That was kind of boring. It was literally just one sentence of her being like, I wanted to pick people that were under the radar, or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Okay, cool. Like, there's okay, I was like, great. There, there's no thought process. Like, I'm like, I'm pretty sure you don't know how who half these people are.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

I know. Like, I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but when you see how this plays out on the UK, you're gonna be like, oh my god. Like it like rocks your world.

SPEAKER_00 52:04

Had there only been three episodes?

SPEAKER_02 52:07

There's six.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

Oh god, okay. I'll catch up. I'll catch up. I will play catch up. Apparently, yeah. Oh gosh. I'm gonna be so saturated, but it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

I know, it's truly try to get it.

SPEAKER_00 52:17

Truly.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

She cries some happy tears, she leaves, blah blah blah. Rabat says his thing about is she married?

SPEAKER_00 52:28

Oh, I love it when a toxic little like fuckboy is a toxic little fuck boy, and I'm like, ah, Rabat, give the people what they want. Play the part, play the part, and like that's why you kind of have to give it to like the hot man candy love island boys. Like you play your part and you play it well. Oh exactly. Great.

SPEAKER_02 52:48

So the next challenge is the cages with the stacking of the sheep skulls, which again, this one's not my fave, not bad. It just looks a bit meh.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Meh. Like the there's no theatre in it other than um Johnny being absolutely terrible at it. That was fun. That's funny.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

He just like prancing around the bush. Someone's like he's an Olympic athlete. I was like, yeah, on the ice, you guys. Like not in the forest.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

Yeah, not in the forest. He the man doesn't frolic. He can do what's it called? A triple axle.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

Uh it's just if there was an ice skating challenge, which it's Scotland, right? There probably could be.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

In the winter, they should say I am not designed to be in a loch.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

Loch? Loch. Uh yeah, so they had to partner up, which was interesting in itself because I guess you get to suss out who trusts who, because Alan tells them pick someone you trust, and this is where Tiffany goes, I'm going with the rapper port. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

I I this is why I was like, Are you playing like you know, survivor tactics of like finding like a big shield, like a big dummy shield? But I'm also like, where is your self-respect?

SPEAKER_02 53:59

Yeah. Like non-existent.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Stanbury is freaking out because she thought Colton, you know, big big burly man, ex-footie player, thinking surely he's gonna be good at this, but he's old shaky hands and he can't do it. Like all Stanbury gets uh put up for murder. Um, Mark also fails to release Kristen, Dorinda fails to free Rinan, which she doesn't care because she don't want to draw her. And Johnny fails to free Eric. So, and then Ron. This was really mean. Ron did get picked, so he just gets automatically.

SPEAKER_00 54:42

I really mean I know I didn't really like the optics of it. I thought the optics were really bad with that.

SPEAKER_02 54:49

Just pick last vibes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Like yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

That's where I was just like, Tiffany, rapper porn. Like and is this are people sus on him because he went so hard on Porsche? Is that correct? Because mate, like anyone would have done that. Like she was being so dodge.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

I think, and it was also like corroborated by the fact no, it was the fact that he went for Porsche, and then Mama Kelsey was also like, I was there, I saw it, right? And it reinforced the oh, okay, you know, um, Ron is so good that he like basically deflected everyone, but then the only person that saw it was Mama Kelsey, who was the number second target and who now was pointed out to be a traitor. So it it was just like the perfect disaster of like things confluencing. Like, I think Ron is fine. Ron was onto it, and like good on him for actually pointing out when someone was being a dummy.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

She was doing something, like, come on. Um, Tiffany thinks that Jam Jam is killing all the gamers to take heat off himself. Interesting theory.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

Um I I I thought that was the thing as well. I was like, Jam jam, you watch you're you're just you're driving that big old bus right over him. But like in a he's not a trader, so he's just jam jam. That's why I said snakey.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

It's so frustrating each round table to cite Michael getting votes, but not enough. Because like Rob says, it's like Rob Cisterino RIP, that like even if he's not a trader, can we just fucking get rid of him because he's a shit faithful and we need to like lock in and he's here making unnecessary noise.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

That's my genuine thing. I always like I say it all the time, they're like, oh, but he's like a big dumb shield, no one's gonna believe him. I'm like, but he makes noise, it's a distraction. Like, just take the big thing away. But no, no, uh, I think people need to understand that like the faithful game is actually like a team sport, yes, it's it's like like I don't know, like Survivor, Big Brother, they're sort of like individual sports.

SPEAKER_02 57:04

You don't know who's on your team, which is why it is so hard.

SPEAKER_00 57:07

Yeah. But if like there's the pack mentality towards like a singular goal, you'd think that everyone's like objectives would line up, but I think it's because everyone still has their like own like it's that's the thing with the celebs, they're like out to play something or be a character, so it all gets a bit muddled.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

But what did you think of this tied to the tree thing? So like it's a face-to-face murder. The traders go out in the middle of the night and they're all strapped to trees and they get to like have a little chat. I thought this was quite camp, actually. I like it.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

It was, and like, um, oh yeah, Ron was the he said the tagline show me your face.

SPEAKER_02 57:46

Show me your faces, which was like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 57:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:50

I thought you better kill me now.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

It wasn't as camp as last season where uh Miss Chriselle serving all of the face, like, you know, isn't it? Was she in a coffee? Or like she went to the church and she's in a stunning, stunning. I want more of that.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

But Chriselle kind of killed that moment for me because she was just like, oh, when she saw who they were, she wasn't like shocked or anything. I don't know. I think these moments need to be real, like, oh my god, yeah, it's you. Uh I like Stanbury. She's like, I'm the least of your problems. I was like, oh, she's a good swindler.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

And then Eric's something meh. He was really like sincere.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

I didn't yeah, I didn't I yeah, I I I don't know. I there are like a few filler characters who I'm just like random.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

He's truly random.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

But that's week one. That's week one. We did it. It's it. Look, I'm not now that we've gone through it, not hating it as much as I went, it's just the unfortunate fact that it's on the same time as the best possible version of this show.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

Yeah. Well, I haven't watched it, so I'm gonna watch it and then I'll have.

SPEAKER_02 59:01

I mean, I'm you'll be texting me late at night, going, I'm a god. It's and I can't wait.

SPEAKER_00 59:10

I I I'm I I am desperately hoping that you know channel 10 has sort of like been like cool. We we we trust that this season is good. We trust it enough to play.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

I think surely they're gonna drop it like right after these two, right? Is that the plan? They're getting us all whipped up in traders, or is it gonna be do you think survivor will be first and then it'll be after?

SPEAKER_00 59:32

I please someone from 10 tell me because I I need to I don't well the survivor's got to be like the big, like that this is the big launch. This is Dave Janay getting launched like Dave Janae's hard launch. Yeah, so it can't be like not that and the return of absolute queen mark. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 59:55

Oh I can't wait. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Oh, I will like just have a conniption.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:01

Yeah, they might be saving it for later on. Because I guess, yeah, if they do, if they put it straight after these two, the risk is that we're all comparing it to that straight away. Whereas if we have a little traders breather and then we're all gagging for some more traders later on in the year, exactly smart. So yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

And and the fact that it's sort of playing off, hey, incredible season of survivor. Oh, look, returnee survivor players, traders. You love those two seasons, you loved redemption. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

Yeah, yeah. Let's go. And that's been done in a similar way to this, where they shot it back to back with New Zealand. So we are like the America to New Zealand. Do you know what I mean? Like so maybe they'll I know I don't want that either. Maybe they'll screen those at the same time. Oh gosh. No.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

Is it yeah? Oh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

Civilian.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

A pedestrian season, yes, yes, and we've got the pedestrian survivors, or it could be a mix, but I don't know. Because is is ours a celebrity season?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:19

Yeah, ours is a celebrity, but it's there are some true randoms on there, like that guy from Maiden Bondi. There's fucking I didn't know we had an Aussie Shaw. Yeah, oh yeah, Monaki from Aussie Shaw. And I've covered Aussie Shaw.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

I didn't know Aussie Shaw was a thing. Someone told me Aussie Shaw is really good. How is it? Really? Is it good? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

Truly. Like truly.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

Like, are we talking Geordie Shaw like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:51

Yeah. But in cans with like absolute, like the trashiest, farm people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:58

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Two seasons.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

Jesus Christ. Alright. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:02

So it's randoms from that, and then we've got, you know, gamers. They've even done that, they've even thrown in one drag queen, Queen Kong.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:09

Queen Kong.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

But at least she gets a chaperone in Reese Nicholson. So that was a good addition.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

Which is good. Finally. So that so two people can ex, you know, two drag-related folks can exist. Can exist in the one can exist in the traders world.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

Doors that we're opening down.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:25

Oh, Australia leading leading the way. And then oh again, too many survivor players.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

Also there's too many. So is is Shane Shane Gould?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

Where did you come from? Um uh no, what's his name? Henry. Sorry, not Harry. Henry.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

Oh, Henry, the Zen Hen.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:45

Zen N. Zen N is at a makeover.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:48

Yeah. It looks more corporate now.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

I know corporate. He's no longer Zen Hen. He is corporate hen.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:54

Yeah. Corporate henny. Oh, cool. No, that's yeah, that seems like a good mix.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:00

I mean I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued to see if there's a gamer thing. Like if they all band together or whatnot on that. God, that is a personality clash. Gamble. Yeah, there's two housewives. Chrissy and Gabe. Oh my god, I love Gambly.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:17

I love Gamble. Oh my god. This that woman is insane. Wolf Pap. Wolf Pap.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

They should have put her like unhinged, like gay stepson on as well. He would have been great.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

And the family member. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

And it's like secret family member. Like anyone who's watched House Fives is just like, um.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

We'll have to have you back on when that's on to discuss.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

Yeah, no, I'm excited. Um look, I think it's good. Ooh, who are you most excited to see have like a breakthrough over the next trio of episodes? Like, who do you want to see more of?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:57

I want more from Stanbury. Yeah. Um Rina needs to have an iconic moment. I'm sure she will. She hasn't quite found what that is yet, but I know it's coming. Um, yeah, I don't know. That's kind of it. I feel like they're yeah, they're doing something with the there's like the Natalie Monet Alliance, there's the Mora Rob Alliance. Yeah, there's some little things brewing. I think it's actually gonna get better.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

I who are you excited about?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

So I love Dancing with the Stars. And he's really hot, that guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

Mark Ballard. Oh my god. I love it. I'm not familiar. So is he a dancer?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

He's so he's the pro.

unknown 1:04:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:37

So he's a dancer, he's a professional dancer, and the current well, the most recent season of Dancing Um with the Stars. Rubbish. Yes, but also was riddled with drama because of like the um the clash of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Uh Whitney Levitt was on it. I love Whitney. Oh my god. I've I've like I've watched so much um Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So much. Um, and like the Whitney, Whitney Levitt and like Mark Ballas are actually like really good friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

So they were paired together.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

They were paired together. They were a duo, they had incredible dances, and then obviously Whitney got um eliminated before like the finale. But Whitney and Mark did their like finale dance on Call Her Daddy. Yeah. The lore is like it was incredible. Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

Yeah, very I can't wait for the next season of Mormon Wives, like which surely they've already shot and edited by now, because at this rate they're just pumping it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:39

I I did not realize how lucrative it was to be a Mormon wife.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

The the Sol Lake is having a uh a cultural m moment. They're even like even like in the true crime space, like they're pumping out more stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

With Mormon content.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:56

Yeah, like the evil influencer doco on Netflix, which like Disney already did one about the same case like a few years ago. And they're just like anything to do with like Mormons and controversy. There's TLC just did a expose on Mary Cosby, which was for the fucking bin. Oh my god. But like anyone they're just like desperate to get their little grubby mitts on anything Mormon related because we're all like, well, those crazy Mormons.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

I yeah, no, it was it it like in my head, like Mormons were the ones like and then they knocked on your door and they had the little like ties and everything. And then I saw this and I went, oh okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

Yeah, because they're all secretly filthy.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:33

Filthy, absolutely filthy. And it's oh it's delightful, and I love it. And I want to see a um a Mormon wife on traders. Maybe that's the new that's the the housewives and the Mormon wives.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:42

Oh no, Denis. Oh yes, Denis, get her and Brett and the three pebbles alliance.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:50

Oh my god, that would be awful.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

All right, darling. Thank you so much for joining me this week. This was so much fun. And I hope you're staying sane and safe in the regions.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

The regions. I will continue to horse ride.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

See you soon, darling. Bye.