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Finding Mr. Christmas - Season 2 (w/ Paul Mizzi)

Sam Cremean

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Happy Holigays! Paul and Sam are talking Heated Rivalry, Finding Mr Christmas Season 2 AND the winner’s film A Make or Break Holiday. It’s a stacked stocking stuffer of an episode just for you. Who will Melissa Peterman crown the hunkiest hunk? Will Angel cry? And why tf did our boy Davey eat those damn grapes?! These questions answered and more..

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Intro

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This podcast was produced on the land of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation.

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Welcome to Australia, Australia.

SPEAKER_02

The content is hideous.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry about this. Oh my god. Happy fucking Christmas for midday.

SPEAKER_02

Merry Christmas. Cheers, doll. How are you? Uh just feeling the Christmas spirit, you know, after binge watching four episodes of Finding Mr. Christmas and watching the finale movie as well.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god. Look, we're surviving the silly season, but also we couldn't make it through without talking about finding Mr. Christmas in its entirety. And we almost didn't get there because this is a very hard show to find on the dark web.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, I was flying to America every week just to watch it. And then same. Yeah. And then I couldn't make my flight, and I was like, what am I gonna do?

SPEAKER_00

I missed my flight, and I was like, oh my god, how are we gonna watch this show? And then a little Christmas miracle happened, and uh we somehow acquired access to Hallmark. Yeah thank you so much, um Hallmark for allowing us to watch this incredible fucking show. Yeah, oh my god, but first tell me about you, Chrissy. What have you got planned? Anything cute?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um, boyfriend's coming down to Adelaide for the week. So together.

SPEAKER_00

So is this hang on, is this the hard launch?

SPEAKER_02

Uh I guess so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So cute.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so no, it should be a nice weekend.

SPEAKER_00

That that sounds hallmarky. I hope it's not a um a make or break Christmas. I'll just say that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I was actually thinking that the whole movie, I was like, this better not be how it turns out, like meeting the parents and stuff. Oh my god. Yeah, but um look, I I think we all learnt lessons from this show, from the movie, that you know we can use

Fountain Lakes A Christmas Carol

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forever. So um yeah, I'll I'll be thinking about it the whole time.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. We um I did a Christmassy thing the other day. I went and saw the Fountain Lakes uh drag parody play, a Christmas Carol. Me too. Um fabulous.

SPEAKER_02

How good? Did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was so fun. Um, had a great time. I saw their last show, like the non-Christmas one, the lockdown one. Um, so I knew I was gonna what you're in for.

SPEAKER_00

And look, it was much the same. It was it was what it said, it was a sequel. Yeah. Um, Thomas Jaspers is a fucking genius, like the the writing is perfection. Um Lazy Susan did a great job as Marion.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, fan favorite, I think. Every time uh she just had to go on stage and the whole crowd was like erupting in laughter.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I've got to say, my favorite line in the whole thing was um when uh I think I think it was Sharon, it was Lisa Mann being like, look, if um my new best friend Erin Patterson Lakes has taught me anything, is that Christmas is just really about being with your family? So good. And I'll be channeling that energy into this uh chaotic time of year.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I it I wish there was more like queer Christmas events like if that if there was something like that every year, I'd be happy, and especially if it traveled around to places that weren't Melbourne would be lovely as well. Because I feel like you guys are very privileged there down there.

SPEAKER_00

I was gonna say, you're like, if only there was a thing like that everyone, like Paul Metzi, there is. Yeah, you just not in Adelaide. Yeah, yeah. Well, you've been flying around a lot then, Melbourne, um, America to watch um this show. So many points. Incredible. Um,

Heated Rivalry

SPEAKER_00

I do have to speak to you about something in a gay emergency fashion because I'm I've been told by so many people in my DMs that I have to talk about this show, and it's of course heated rivalry. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02

I I thought that's what you were gonna say. I feel like it's the culture now.

SPEAKER_00

You have to culture it's the only thing thirstier than finding Mr. Christmas. But um yeah, some of these people that are obsessed with this show, I'm like, wait until they find out about porn, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Freak out. Yeah, it is very softcore porn. Um, and it it's funny seeing how many people are like scandalized or or like shocked at the level of the sex scenes. I don't know, maybe I'm just numb to this stuff now. Like I'm like, yeah, yeah. I've enjoyed the show, I think it's cute. It's a cute cute. Um, but like, yeah, I the people that are like, oh, I just watched a show and I have to stop it like five times to joke off. I'm I'm like, really?

SPEAKER_00

Okay, girl, yeah, come on now. I mean, I need to say a little bit more than that. And look, like it is fun. So a few things. I'm loving that so the woman that wrote these books, because it's a series of books, apparently. Um, she's a real JK Rowling, but hold the transphobia, and she's written this universe of books. What a fucking horny bitch! And apparently she was involved with the show, and it's it's erotic fan fiction, really.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, this is a whole genre of like there are so many of these like uh gay love stories written by women, sis, cis women. Um, like I mean, she's queer, but I don't like that's not necessarily the case. I mean, and and it's like I literally read a series of books earlier this year that was another gay hockey romance with very similar story to this one. Like, so it's just I think they're very lucky they the the makers of this book that like this is the one that got chosen because there are so many of these things out there, and then they've just cast insanely good-looking people.

SPEAKER_00

I've got to say, I think that heated rivalry exists in the same universe as did you see that movie bros? Yes, so it's like it's cute and all, but it does have an underlying uh assertion of like hyper masculinity uh in in gay culture that does feel very brose coded. And I do while I'm watching it, I'm just like, yeah, this is fun and all, but like I thought we were kind of moving past this as a people, but it's just dragging us straight back. And then the way everyone freaks out about like old mate's butt and everything. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like stunning, go off, love the butt, but like like I don't know. Are we just is this Trump's America? Are we just like are we just going? Are we regressing?

SPEAKER_02

I actually read an article that was completely unironic, talking about the four main leads of the show and praising the show for showing us a diverse range of body types. The fuck up and saying how positive the representation of the show was. Paul, I can't.

SPEAKER_00

Because some were less buffed than the other ones, and because one of them's like a little bit Asian looking. I just the whole show, it just kills me. Like they are porn stars at this point. Also, I gotta give it to old mate though, with the with the cakes. Um, if you move past the cakes for two seconds, uh I think he's an incredible actor, especially because apparently he's just like not at all Russian, which I'm like could have fooled me. He has in that last episode, he's speaking like I reckon like 70% of his lines in that episode are in Russian. Yeah. Um, which like I confirmed with a friend of mine who's a native speaker that he like delivered them all very well. So you gotta give him that. Plus, did you see the video of him being like a camp little child?

SPEAKER_02

No, I haven't seen that.

SPEAKER_00

Apparently, someone deep dived and found his like 12-year-old YouTube channel, which like fuck, I hope no one finds mine. But um, he's just on there being very gay. So yeah, more of that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, um, I I have to say, like, I think it is a well-made show. Like, and and all the acting is quite good. Um, I don't like the latest episode has become the highest rated episode on IMDb in its wall.

SPEAKER_00

I I saw that too, but like, let's just let's pump the brakes on that for one second. It did just come out, yeah. Remember when they used to say this about drag race episodes? They'd be like, this is the highest rated drag race. It's IMDB, like people go on there and change it. Like next week, it'll be different. Like, calm the fuck down.

SPEAKER_02

Uh, and while we're talking about drag race, I need to quickly dive dovetail into another subject. Please. Um, because I saw a great reel by Heidi in Closet, which reminded us, I haven't heard in a while. Yeah, well, uh, because I don't know if you've seen um the whole thing with Nicki Minaj, like uh aligning herself with Trump and and um Erica Kirk, and then like then the memory of she was a drag race host and like going in on Heidi and Closet and saying how much she hated her hair and makeup.

SPEAKER_00

Um Heidi kind of come out and be like, Finally, I get my moment. Nicki Minaj was the cunt all along.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but I mean who had that on their bingo card for 1995?

SPEAKER_00

I've been saying I knew Nicki Minaj was shit for a very long time. So I've never been a fan. I've been I'm a I don't know if you know this about me, Paul Mitz. I'm a big Little Kim fan.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Uh and so we've always known she was trash, but now you're all welcome.

SPEAKER_02

No, uh yeah, I I mean I don't think I ever dive that deeply into it to really realize she sucks, man. But I'm so excited because it means that um Mary's pop and mate, you change their paylist slight slightly, and we don't have to hear starships every time we go.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, please. If every gay bar in the world could take starships out, the world would be that's my Christmas fucking wish. Oh my god. But yeah, no, heated rivalry. I just yeah, I just get such joy watching fandoms and communities just kind of like rally around us like silliness and like hot guys. It makes me happy, but you're right. Like, can we stop trying to overintellectualize it, please? Can we stop writing articles about how it's breaking boundaries? It's doing nothing of the sort, but it's entertaining us and it's hot, so like that's enough. That's all it needs to be, everyone. So I would like everyone to just take a little deep breath, take a little moment, just calm the fuck down. Okay, it's gonna be all right.

SPEAKER_02

And if this is open your love of watching guys get penetrated, uh, we can recommend so many more avenues to watch that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's called hardcore porn, and there's a whole universe awaiting you. Uh yeah, it's gonna blow your mind to blow your fucking mind, guys. Wait till you see it. Yeah, it doesn't cut away, it doesn't pull away. Actually, the one the meme I love the most actually is um this is how crazy this show's gotten. Have you seen the meme where someone's like taking screenshots of the apartment and they're like, look how many lamps this guy has. It's like this one shot, and he's got like a hundred lamps.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did actually notice that he's got like lamps on his uh on the wall on the bedside table, standing lamps, like yeah, how many do you need?

SPEAKER_00

But what I need to know before we move on to Miss Christmas, if you could only fuck one of the four hot gay male leads of the show, which one are you fucking? Kip.

SPEAKER_02

Easy.

SPEAKER_00

I had a I had a feeling see, you know it's not, you know Kip's not for me. He's so LA actor gay face for me, yeah, yeah. But like that, obviously that rig is out of control, yeah. But the like the Deer in Headlights LA actor face doesn't do it for me. So I'm guessing you're a Scott Hunter.

SPEAKER_01

Ah, you know me well, Paul Mitzi.

SPEAKER_00

Scott Hunter is my man. Who's the only person that looks like a real person? Yeah. Um and he's a sexy little daddy. So yeah. I mean, like I mean, I'm not kicking any of them out of, let's be honest. Yeah. Uh in fact, I'm looking forward to the Forson scene. I'm assuming that's coming. Ah have you got some intel I don't? If it doesn't, I'll be very disappointed. That's the finale. Oh my god. You just know they're gonna kill like absolutely ruin it in season two as well.

SPEAKER_02

I think the one hope for this is that it is uh based on a series of books and people do have a lot of affection for the subsequent books. So I think if they follow you know as closely as what they have for the first book, then I think we might be safe.

SPEAKER_00

So I like your um cautious optimism. Uh all

Finding Mr. Christmas S02E04-08 Recap

SPEAKER_00

right, shall we move on to Melissa Peterman's fag race? Ah, please. I've got so many emotions. We we're we're grieving, we're processing. It's a time for joy, but it's also a time for sadness. Yeah. Um we did already do a cast assessment and we spoke about episodes one to three, I believe. Yeah. But that's over on Patreon on our episode. We did our little uncut extra episode uh from Ozzy Shore. So go listen to that if you haven't already, because we are gonna start at episode four. My favorite episode, because it was a very merry talent show. Oh yes.

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This episode, I think, cemented a lot of you know the my thoughts on the rest of the season. This is this is the starting point for it. Because it's really highlighted.

SPEAKER_00

Because we were like so we were upset when Jake went because Jake was super hot and super like you know, footy bro vibes, which we were living for. Then we discovered Davy as the breakout hottie of the show because he was kind of a little bit in the BG, those first few eps, and then all of a sudden you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, where have they been hiding this insanely hot man? Um, and then the talent show was his time to shine.

SPEAKER_02

Uh they he he understood the assignment and I like looking like thinking back, it's been a long time since I watched this episode at this point. Um, I could not tell you one other thing. Oh, I can remember the boring one did like Rubik's Cube while standing on a skateboard or something. Other than that, and then and then I remember like the gay one talked about his dead mum and all the all the uh women started jizzing their pants.

SPEAKER_00

Other than that, couldn't tell you a thing about the women gizzing their pants is a common theme of this show, and I do love that um during Davy's performance uh of just him being hot in little suspenders, they did have to physically restrain Melissa Peterman from insulting him.

SPEAKER_02

The way she was like looking him up and down, amazing. I never felt more in line with someone on TV than that point. Like, I'm like, I am you.

SPEAKER_00

I love her. I actually had a thought after watching all of this where I was like, do we need Jonathan on this show? Yeah, besides the bit where they cry because about like gay representation, that bit happens every season where they're like, Man, the doors you opened for me so that you could act as a street man in Hallmark movies, just like I want to do as a gay man that wants to act as street man on Hallmark movies. You've opened so many doors, man. I love you, man.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I think it's um I think my takeaway by from the end of this season is that this whole show is meaningless. So it doesn't really matter that you know they have a Mr. Christmas to look up to or whatever, because what are they even fighting for at this point? Like this whole show is a farce.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_02

So get get rid of Jonathan, do whatever the fuck you want to.

SPEAKER_00

I think it should be Melissa Peterman's like hunk race, and they need to properly they need to make it more sexy, and the challenges need to be more demeaning and yeah, Melissa Peterman should be the host.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, absolutely. I I I'm 100% because I think the one other takeaway I had is like the more of these acting challenges that I'm sitting through, the like they became like physically painful as the show went on. Um, and I I mean we'll get to it, but like the last one that oh the second to last one with the mum, like I I couldn't even I couldn't even look at the screen, I couldn't even look.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no, because you're too busy furiously masturbating. I so Angel in this episode he wins immunity because he's got so much heart. So Angel's superpower is that he can cry on cue and he's got an accent, which is just like great, and the hallmark execs are like fuck yeah, get that fucking Latino market man. We gotta like we're we're getting we're hitting demographics. Um, so they love Angel for that, and he's like a mum, like catnip because he like cries every time like his mum is mentioned, and he wins amenity, but of course there's a twist where he can either give it away or keep it for himself. What was his talent? I don't know, talking about his mum.

SPEAKER_02

I can't remember. Um, yeah, what a fucking idiot. Like he say he he gave it he gave it to the winner. He gave his immunity to the winner, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but they did the thing where it's like you know, he he gave his immunity to Robbie, the gay. So he was going for allyship and having heart and not being a selfish cunt, which is like what you want to do on a reality show. You want to be like, I'm not selfish, I'm not keeping immunity for my can't even get through this. Um and yeah, no, the gay he gave it to the gay because the gay told everyone about his mum having a stroke. So, like, duh, obvious choice.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Like I I just don't I just don't understand what we're rewarding at this point. Because stop stories, yeah, it's trauma like but you know, the show is supposed to be evaluating who is going to be the best lead in a movie.

SPEAKER_00

Well, hey, wait, wait a second, Nepal. You've highlighted an important point. That was not a lead role. Uh well that was a fucking cameo. What playing the brother? Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_02

What a stitch-up that is actual I think I I actually think what happened was that that was not the plan. 100%. I think and I think this is a classic case of why producer intervention is important in a reality show. Someone may be the worst of the challenge, edit the fuck out of that episode to not make it seem that way, and make sure that that person who should be the lead of your movie at the end gets to the finale and wins because they ended up in a situation where the three finalists were all fucking garbage, and not any of them had the right to be the lead of anything of a fucking school play, let alone a movie that's aired on television. Um and then so they ended up awarding someone that had no business winning. No, and then they probably screen tested him and went, What the fuck are we gonna do? We we like fucking last year let a sexy potato win, and he like as as sexy as he is, was not charismatic in any way possible, and that movie was so that's what I was gonna ask unwatchable.

SPEAKER_00

That's what I was gonna ask. Was it because of his of Ezra's performance in Happy Holidays? Which I gotta say, Happy Hallidays like what's it called? A makeup about Christmas makes Happy Holidays seem like fucking cinema, darling. Oh really? Oh mate, I would watch Happy Holidays 70 times in a row right now rather than ever having to watch a makeup about Christmas again. At least it was like at least there was like some CGI and like different locations.

SPEAKER_01

This fucking movie was all in the house.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they let us do the obstacle course. Yeah, the obstacle course, that made no sense. We'll get there, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But I I I truly think that that the plan was not him being the brother, and they realized what the fuck are we gonna do? Let's give him a role with a couple of lines so that to contractual obligation.

SPEAKER_00

Um the leading man, I'd be getting my lawyers onto that. Um, all right, back to ep four. Gabe is finally put out of his misery. Gabe, who was so gorgeous, but like what a dumb sexy idiot. Just not had no business being on this show. Who's looked confused about where he was at all times?

SPEAKER_02

And this is my other question, is like uh aspiring.

SPEAKER_00

You struggled with Gabe in the first three apps, and I was kind of here for it because he gave a story because he like stuttered and when he had the like panic attack moment, I was like, oh, I was Melissa Peterman in that moment, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um but yeah, he he was awful and he was awful in every challenge, but like if are struggling actors that are good looking that rare a breed that they could not fill a whole cast of a reality show with them, yeah. Like you can't find ten actors that are good looking that would really be able to walk up and down fucking Hollywood Boulevard going yeah, hey, with like a bell, yeah, and they just follow. Yeah, how how did we end up with this cast? I just don't get it.

SPEAKER_00

Alright, episode five is Christmas on Mean Street. Um, and we learn that Hottie Marcus's mum isn't doing well, uh, but she's still important to note, gave her consent for him to be on this show because obviously it's a once-in-lifetime opportunity.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Uh Robbie the gay and Marcus have a heart to heart, very sweet about mum stuff, because you know, famously Robbie is mum is dead, um, is very dead. So they do that. Uh then the festive face off, which was okay. So this was the best festive face off of the season and possibly all time, where they put them inside the balls, and they had this was chaos. They had to like knock down like foam, like polystyrene Christmas trees with tiny little ribbons on them. Hmm, what was that about? Um Angel was fucking insane on this challenge.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they were they really got into all the physical challenges this this season. Which again, is that really the point of the show? Yeah, like have we already have we already seen the like lube mountain by this point, or is that before after this?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I don't know. Melissa Peterman almost gets taken out at one point, yeah, and she's like, Well, if that's the way I go, what a way to go. She's so good. Um uh Davy is the fastest, of course. Look at him and wins the challenge, my man. Uh, and he gets to watch the commentary uh from the judging booth, which is his prize. Uh, then we get some real talk, and this real talk I want to unpack with you as a homosexual. Uh they talk about sport, and I found this fascinating because a lot of the they were like through they're like tossing around at football, and they basically say that like being a young boy and like being put into sport kept them out of trouble, gave them friends and like access to a community and confidence. And I was like, it was really nice. I don't know, I I was like, on the one hand, I was like, it was really nice to hear straight men verbalize that because what they were really doing was they were verbalizing their privilege, um, that they had been introduced to that, but then it also made me angry because I was thinking about how many people don't get to access that, particularly queer people, particularly trans people that are locked out of participating in sport. Um, and yeah, that made me really mad. Did you have any feelings on this scene?

SPEAKER_02

Uh yeah, I mean, like I I definitely feel that, and as someone like that was definitely something that I've dealt with my entire life, and but I I think uh it highlights the importance, and I think you know it's coming up everywhere in the world now. How like queer sporting groups are more important than ever. Um, and I think yeah, in recent years it's really become a thing for for the queer community to um make their own spaces and make their own community and that involves sport. So I know we both are involved in that. So um, yeah, I I can't remember what Robbie what his reaction was during.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know if he was there, I don't know if he was involved. They were like, don't throw the ball to that fagger, he'll drop it. Um no, but like I know what you're saying, and I think it was more the fact that they're talking about their childhood, so like, yes, we've created these spaces now, but like having access to that as a young person is really important, and it was like nice to hear them sort of acknowledge what that had done for them. Um, but I I I wasn't sure if they realized that not everybody has that privilege was all yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I think this show is very rare in the fact that it shows us a bunch of like cis men, they're not like browing out that yeah, they're bowing out, but like in the most wholesome way possible. Yes, like they're they're super supportive to each other, sweaters and drinking cocoa, yeah, talking about their mums. Yeah, like there's there's not there's no toxic energy there, it's all very so positive, supportive, it's hallmark, it's a hug.

SPEAKER_00

Like, yeah, yeah, not gonna lie, would watch a full hardcore porn version of this show, um, where they like talk about their mums and their feelings and then fuck. Um, but yeah, that's just me. Uh then Jonathan, speaking of homosexual, is like, guys, we're having a snow shell. You get it? Snowshill, snowshill, guys, snowshill. Like, there was a few moments like that in this season where I was like, Jonathan, shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02

He was increasing, he is increasingly getting more annoying. Like, I I see it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I think he knows that Melissa Peterman is coming for his gig. Hmm.

SPEAKER_02

And I think, yeah, they they made a real big show of how amazing he was in the reunion. Um, and I think they might have fucking did, man.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so maybe that was marketed. The shit out of Jonathan at the fucking reunion. Um, so they have a neighborly Christmas mingle uh for this this uh film shoot, and the hunks have to produce themselves with Hallmark actress Hunter King, which she comes out and I'm like, Hunter King, that is a poor name. Yeah, 100%. Hunter King?

SPEAKER_02

Honey, who are your parents? She and she is like the hallmark low rent version of that actress, you know, the the one that was in like the kissing booth movies and um the one about Munchhausen by proxy where the mum was making your daughter sick. What was that show called? Uh you know the one you know who I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_02

Joey Joey King.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Joey King, which could also be a porn name that could be related, yeah. Uh so they're in little groups, Craig, Angel, and Davy are together. Um, and this is with like two of them have to play brothers, and then one of them one of them plays like the boyfriend. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

This was fucking stupid, which meant that in both groups the two white guys could uh band together and the person of color had to be the other that was being excluded, just how it was written, just how God intended.

SPEAKER_00

Um, and then fucking uh Craig is like, yeah, so I really want us to be like brothers to to Davey. Like, I want it to be real, so we're gonna do stuff like you know, slapping each other's ass with a towel, and I was like the amount of times they talk about like locker rooms and stuff on this show. Oh, I swear to god. Yeah, you you would have just been ready to explode, but it's always really quick, they just like leave it in there, and then it just like cuts away, and I'm there just being like, excuse me. So Rustin, Marcus, and Robbie are the other team, uh, and Rustin is it's a it's uh not a chirocracy, it's uh a cheer tatorship with Rustin, and he's fully taking control, but then like kind of blames Robbie for taking control. I don't know. This was there was some gay violence here. Rustin I fucking can't. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna say yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Rustin just has that energy of like a piece shit that thinks he's fucking best thing ever. Like I'm one with Christ, and I'm gonna go to the house. Picking up his guitar and oh, I'm so good. All the girls love my long, luscious hair.

SPEAKER_00

And I just gotta say, spoilers, but like I'm so glad he didn't win because I assumed Rustin was winning.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, because it out I guess out of the three finalists, like he is, I guess, the most appropriate part.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, and they were editing him from the start as the one, so yeah, kind of shook. Uh Craig wins, shining star, and cries. Yeah, uh, then it's between Rustin and Robbie to go home, and we say a tearful goodbye to our gay um our token gay of the season. Robbie, see you later, Queen.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, this is the one in elimination I thought was fair of the whole season. Like, he was terrible. Yeah, yeah, true. Uh, yeah, he was terrible in the challenge. Uh, he yeah, I just don't see him as a lead or like he was so bad, but he did so much for gay rats.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, uh Jonathan is so emotional. Oh my god, this like they hug. He's like, You made Jonathan goes, You made me proud, and you made our community proud. And I was like, Jonathan, get in the bin.

SPEAKER_02

It was so funny. I was actually watching this. Um I was watching this with my boyfriend, and um when that happened, uh he turns to me and he goes, Does like Jonathan? Because he had never watched an episode before. He's like, Does Jonathan cry every episode? He's like, No, no, he's just crying be well, he's crying, especially part. Yeah, he's crying because Robbie's a faggot. And then I said, and I bet you he will his next line is going to be, you've done so much for our community, and it like word for fucking word.

SPEAKER_00

He made our community word for fucking word. Epsix is the holiday, and uh Angel tells us it's Los Incos Finalistas, and we get a festive face off of Silent Night. Okay, I like this one. They had to like not make any noise, but then Melissa Peterman was there, just like trolling them with like all this stuff that makes noise. That was camp. Yeah, high camp. Uh Marcus wins, stunning. Uh, what does he get? Oh, he gets to allocate the order that they shoot in at the picnic uh date. But this the twist on this shoot was that it wasn't like a meat cue, it wasn't like a first date, it was like halfway through their relationship, so they've like been together for a while, which I was like, ooh, they hadn't really done that before on this show. It's usually like new romance, so I liked that. Um, but unfortunately for our boy Davy, there was uh a large amount of grapes on set.

SPEAKER_02

I've never been so mad at a fruit before.

SPEAKER_00

Like I've actually I'm never eating grapes ever again.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. What what those grapes robbed us of is just indescribable. Yeah. We could have seen him for another few episodes of the game.

SPEAKER_00

Conspiracy theory. So they'd already picked the role. So opposite to your theory, they'd already picked the role of brother in this shit fucking movie. And Davy's just way too hot to play a side character. So this time they were truly going for America's next top average Christmas man.

SPEAKER_02

But I just don't see the point in that. Like, why wouldn't you write a movie for the best person and then make it and then everyone enjoys that movie?

SPEAKER_00

They'd already that guy, the lead in that movie, he'd already signed an Ironclad contract.

SPEAKER_02

Like Hallmark that year made a Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey like esque romance. He would have been perfect. Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_00

Touchdown for the holidays or some shit.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so like he would have been perfect as the lead in a in a in a football rom com. Like exactly. I don't know. Look, I'm not the producer, I don't know. What do I know?

SPEAKER_00

Uh oh my god, so there was a line in this script as well that I died at, which was um do you prefer giving or receiving presents? And everyone had to ask. I just got such a fucking kick out of that uh every time.

SPEAKER_02

Uh grapes. Do you think uh, you know, obviously this show's taken a lot of the format of drag race? Um, I think a lesson that they could probably learn from drag race is maybe have a different script for every person so we're not seeing the fucking same scene over and over again.

SPEAKER_00

Or just have Carson Cresley on set at all times, being like honey, no. Just fool trolling them. I'm gonna need more Carson.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, they need something. If we're gonna endure a season three, there needs to be some changes. I don't know, man. I don't know if this is coming back, but yeah, I think the writing's on the wall.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, even the so the thing with Davy that shat me the most was like, yeah, sure, he ate some fucking grapes, but even the co-star, and they edited this in and everything, said to Jonathan afterwards, she was like, I was distracted, he was so hot. And I was like, Yes, correct, I would be the same. Um, Rustin, oh Rustin does this weird eye contact shit where he's like, Hey, uh, we're about to make this beautiful scene together, so uh just look into each other's eyes, and Jonathan and Melissa are like, Oh, somebody went to theater school.

SPEAKER_01

I was like, kill me.

SPEAKER_02

But they loved it, yeah, disgusting.

SPEAKER_00

It's creepy, it actually made my skin crawl. It was rapey and not okay, but they love him. Uh Craig wins again, which am I missing something?

SPEAKER_02

Like, Craig is so criminally average, yeah, and he's kind of just like dead-eyed, like usually there's like there's not that spark, like no movie star spark where you're seeing the thoughts behind their eyes, it's just nothing.

SPEAKER_00

But perfect to play a brother in a film that's being shot in one day in a house. Uh so Davy goes home, and look, I don't even want to talk about it because I'm still mad, and it was not okay. But silver lining, maybe now that he riggled out of the Hallmark contract, only fancy's on the cards.

SPEAKER_02

We can only hope.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Episode seven is called Merry Christmas, Mom! And you guessed it, it's all about the moms. So this was kind of cute how they did it. They made them write letters and then not a dry eye in the house when uh the actual mums enter, to their surprise. Um, yeah, so god, good thing Robbie got sent home because that would have been awkward. Yeah, um, they just eliminate him from the challenge. But Craig, you don't have a mum, so Robbie, you don't have a mum, you need to go. Um, can we talk about Craig's mum really wanting to fuck him? Like, yeah, she was like, look at my hot hunky son, you know, yeah, who wouldn't want to fuck that?

SPEAKER_02

I'm like, mom, mom down. I did pick up on that. Yeah, um, and maybe that was Angel's uh inspiration when he was shooting his scene because he was trying to fuck his own mother in the acting challenge. He sure was, and they were all like, That's amazing. I love those pieces.

SPEAKER_00

And Melissa Peterman was like, back the fuck off, he's mine. Like, yeah, it was a lot. Um, of course, they all win that, and then yeah, this acting challenge was so cooked. Um, sorry, I love the line. It's okay to not be okay. I was like, wow, we're getting really we're getting into some deep mental health issues now.

SPEAKER_02

Um, uh you've lost your husband of 40 years, and then every scene ends with the actor looking up into the sky and it's like, I love you, dad.

SPEAKER_00

Wherever you are. Um incredible. No notes. That should have been the film.

SPEAKER_02

It should no, it should not have. That was I like, yeah, I was my all my insides were just like, oh, I could be called a dead dad Christmas. I could not watch. That was so fucking terrible. And yeah, I can't say enough how uncomfortable I felt when Angel was you know acting uh with the actress playing his mother, and he slowly moves the hair from out of her eye. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00

What acting choice is that yeah, Angel bless his cotton socks, he's a creepy guy. Yeah, yeah. He's got too much enthusiasm, he needs to tone it the fuck down. Um, but yeah, and Rustin is so annoying. Rustin doing the looking after this guy. I was like, fuck, I hate this guy so much, so much, yeah, just staring up there. Oh but yeah, and look, as handsome as Marcus is, his acting was only slightly shitter than everyone else's, so he got sent home.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he he wasn't good. And like, I don't think there was a line he didn't flub in every action uh acting challenge.

SPEAKER_00

But he's a very sexy man. At this point, I thought he was the hottest guy left. So when he left, I was like, oh no. I was like, now I'm like, well, no one hots winning. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Like look, honestly, like put him on the front of a target catalogue. Perfect. Um, but yeah, not not as a lead, sorry.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's the finale. Uh crowning Mr. Christmas. And our final three are Rustin, Angel, and Craig. They done group, that is. Dad. Dad. They reflect on their growth. So this is I was fully convinced Rustin was winning, no? Like at the start. And then I was even like, oh maybe Angel. I literally was not on my bingo card at all that Craig would win.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, because I just couldn't imagine it. No, I was like, not a chance.

SPEAKER_00

But hey, uh, they do their reflection on their growth. Uh, and then we meet some guy who's like a hallmark leading man who gives us some straight guy advice. And of course, it's really terrible advice. Like, just be yourself, man. Nerves are good. You gotta channel those nerves and turn it into gold. I was like, shut the fuck up. Uh now we gotta talk. Oh, he also, this guy, he name drops acting with Megan Markle.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I fucking screamed when he said that.

SPEAKER_02

Like, that's his crowning achievement.

SPEAKER_00

Uh no one likes her. No, exactly. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like famed actress. Uh, then we get on a choo-choo train for this oh my god, period piece. And by period piece, I mean they put them in a little hat uh film. I loved this, it was so stupid. Like the action scene, the kiss, Melissa Peterman being the ticket saleswoman at the station.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that really like upset me because it reminded me of the fact that we didn't get the improv challenge that we got last season, which was actually a lot of fun. We didn't, but they instead this was dead dad challenge instead. Not not as fun.

SPEAKER_00

We did, but they tried to pepper in improv like here and there throughout the season, but it didn't quite work. Hmm. I don't know. Uh we met Erin Krakow, who's uh also another porn star that's gonna work on the set this week, and they put on their stupid hats and chase after her before getting on a train. Um set in the year period. What'd you think?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um again, I didn't want to see this scene eight times.

SPEAKER_00

You're so right. Like, give them different give them different bits, different roles, put them all in the same film. Didn't they do that last time? No, they all did the same thing. Maybe it's like a fairness thing for the judging. I don't fucking know. Yeah, there'd be a way around it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um, yeah, it was okay. Like, I mean, the whole like stunt work thing of him jumping over the thing, like Craig won the challenge, and uh, and then they show his like a winning edit, and like the suitcase didn't fall enough, so he had to actually run towards the suitcase to jump over it. It's like you couldn't even do you couldn't even shoot that again, like surely. Um yeah, so I don't know. It that none of the their performances blew me away, I'd say like they were all pretty shit.

SPEAKER_00

That director though, he was juiced up to say the least. He was happy to be there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he thought he was making citizen cane.

SPEAKER_00

Oh fuck man, he was like, Woo, we're in Utah and I'm ready to make it snow. Uh fucking snooze that Craig wins. I was so shook. It was uh like a true robbed queen moment. Uh, but anyway, then we were subject to 2025 Hallmark film, A Make or Break Christmas.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, so you so is that the order you watched it in the movie

A Make or Break Holiday (2025)

SPEAKER_02

and then the reunion?

SPEAKER_00

That's the order these things were released. Uh, okay, okay, cool, cool. So at the start of the reunion, I noticed they said you've just seen the film, so I thought we'd do it in that way. Uh okay, yes.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, make or break holiday. Piece of shit.

SPEAKER_00

Break, I would say, would be my choice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I have to say though, like, um, so I've watched three Christmas movies this year. One for my podcast, which was called The Family Matters Christmas, which was pretty fucking terrible, like ultra, ultra low budget, but I think was actually more enjoyable than this one. Yeah. Um, and then I watched I watched like a bigger budget one on Amazon called Merv with um Zoe Deschanel and Charlie Cox, the hot guy that played Daredevil. Um, yes, and that was actually the worst of the bunch, uh I would say. That was fucking painful to and then where does this one sit? So I would probably put this in the middle. I'd probably put the Family Matters Christmas top, which Family Matters. Do you remember like Family Matters, a show with like Steve Urkel from the 90s? Yeah, yeah. So it's like a spin-off of that. Well, it it had two cast members from that in cameo roles, so they renamed the film to Family Matters Christmas. Oh my god, that's such a cheeky little fucking fucking move. Whoa. But uh yeah, so I'd put that on the top, I'd put this in the middle, and I would put um Merv last. But um Well, I would put this movie in the bin. I actually the first scene of this movie, I'm like, you know what?

SPEAKER_00

I think I'm gonna love this. Oh, can I say I actually really liked the premise of this film? I actually really like, and this is what it did better than happy holidays because the premise of happy holidays was fucking insane. Yeah, no, so she worked for the like Seattle Tourism Board or some shit, and it was so wild, and she lived on like a floating pontoon house. Um, this I liked that the whole thing was like, Well, I fucking hate you, but I guess family is coming and they've got non-refundable flights, so yeah, guess we're acting like we love each other. Great premise for a Christmas movie because everyone fucking hates Christmas, so you need to like lean into that a little bit.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but I think the problem with the film was then it lent too hard into the unpleasantness of the family to the point where you're like like just emancipate yourself, like the your parents are actually terrible people. This is heterosexual behaviour, Paul.

SPEAKER_00

This is their culture. Yeah, they do they do things like literally five minutes into this, I'd be like, you're all leaving, or I would have like full like machine gunned like everyone.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, if if your parents are like actually, actually genuinely angry about you not getting a certain brand of turkey and yelling at you and telling you that it's not even an option. Disgraceful behaviour. Like, you just say fuck off. Fuck off.

SPEAKER_00

They love quirky little food details in a Hallmark movie. Like, what kind of cookie are you?

SPEAKER_01

Are you a sugar cookie?

SPEAKER_00

Um, they love all that, and this film opens with that. I feel like big sugar was involved in this film. It was like it was Nutella sponcon.

SPEAKER_02

It was spon the first like 20 minutes was a Nutella commercial. Yeah, it literally goes through a whole Nutella recipe from beginning to end, which I've made right here.

SPEAKER_00

Um, no, seriously, there's diabetes uh diagnosis in this whole family. Um, the meat cute was an eggnog spillage. I love that they meet at another Christmas, they meet at a Christmas thing, and then we like cut to Christmas again. I'm like, okay. Uh what did you think of this male lead? I thought he was kind of hot, and that's me being very generous. And like I enjoyed the big schnauz, but I thought he was very forgettable.

SPEAKER_02

I actually thought he was the best part of the movie. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. I I thought he was really cute and likable. Probably more than anyone else in the film.

SPEAKER_00

He was better than her. Liv, the famous elite, she was like acting jail for put her in acting jail forever. Life sentence, multiple life sentences.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know if it's her fault though, because if you think about it, like these characters are so so underwritten. Even for at least in a normal Hallmark movie, you know what the person does for a living, you know what they do. Doesn't she bake?

SPEAKER_00

Sometimes they have it, might be a business, it might not. We don't, we're not quite sure.

SPEAKER_02

We don't know anything about these people.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, she's female, so obviously she bakes. But that was the what that was the universe of this film.

SPEAKER_02

But somehow, like, they afforded like this giant mansion after living together for like so so they were together for a year and they bought a giant mansion together, but he couldn't get out of his other lease, so he wasn't living there yet.

SPEAKER_00

I just don't semantics. The way they fucking banged on like they'd been together for fucking a decade, and it'd been one year. That was probably not very I don't know, believable. So uh so Craig, the winner of Finding Mr. Christmas season two, plays Reed, the brother of Liv, uh a much smaller role than Ezra's lead role in Happy Holidays. Uh, hardly any lines. I thought he was atrocious in this film. Yeah, uh same with the sister.

SPEAKER_02

Well, the sister at least had a bit of personality, whereas he was just dead weight.

SPEAKER_00

Um she was the sister was dropping all kinds of pop culture references. She had a Merrick Kate and Ashley Olson thing, she had a few housewives jokes. Yeah. Um a gay wrote that part for sure.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it was actually written by two females. Um, so yeah. I think it's a heated rivalry situation. It's a heated finally.

SPEAKER_00

Um my god, the other pop culture reference they dropped in there where she's like the Ross and Rachel stuff. I was like, oh my god, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_02

Uh the the grandma did do a uh Fast and the Furious reference.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, can we talk about the grandma and her like sexual assault of Craig?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I I just felt very uncomfortable in all their scenes together. Truly, I I didn't understand what the film was trying to achieve with that character.

SPEAKER_00

It was like old lady telling a hot young man what to do, and he's uncomfortable. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to see this, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, nah, I um yeah, I I just wasn't a fan.

SPEAKER_00

I know, and um typical uh rom com miscommunication ensues where it's like and then it becomes oh, they even refer to it as Operation Sibling Trap, which I was like, don't I was like, don't if you can't write a movie, do not steal shit from like canon that exists, you know.

SPEAKER_02

And this uh the other big complaint I have actually is obviously it must have been in the contract that they have to have a Jonathan Bennett cameo with a joke about Mr. Christmas, they've done it in both of these fucking movies, and both were so shoehorned in and awkward and shit, like anyone could have written a better cameo. Anyone, it didn't even make any fucking sense at all.

SPEAKER_00

It should have been the Nutella salesman um knocking door to door, yeah. It was bad.

SPEAKER_02

Uh it just makes me angry, it just makes me angry because like these people have like they've been paid, and this is their job, and how can you be happy putting that out into the world? So many people would have had to sign off on that. It's just so shit. Like, yeah, we deserve more.

SPEAKER_00

We do. This is not what Christmas is about. Oh no, but look, it all turns out in the end, um, of course, they learn through having to deal with their shit pieces of shit families, um, that they are actually doomed and should just stay in heterosexual hell together and um breed children. And so they get married at the end. Uh, reunion.

Finding Mr Christmas Season 2 Reunion

SPEAKER_00

So then we get this reunion. Oh my god, the looks like everyone has like fucked their faces in this reunion. We get Drake looked like a lesbian anime character. I was like, what is going on, Drake?

SPEAKER_02

Uh no, yeah. Um, Rustin showing up with no beard, which we later find out is because he's playing Elvis. Yeah, but he doesn't say where he's playing Elvis. I'm pretty sure it'd be in some like local production and like some fucking alleyway.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. At a chapel in Vegas.

SPEAKER_02

Uh he oh my god, tells us about his Christmas music that he's putting out, which we get a little sneak peek of like him him lip-syncing his own song with all the cast like putting their arms around each other and swaying around him may have been one of the most painful things I've ever fucking seen in my entire life.

SPEAKER_00

Nail in the coffin for this show, or for just getting fucking started, you tell me.

SPEAKER_02

It was yeah, I mean, this reunion, like the whole point of a reunion show is to like air some dirty laundry, get some like you know, some conflict happening, but they can't have conflict on but so then what's the point of doing a reunion show where everyone can just sit around and compliment each other?

SPEAKER_00

I'll tell you what the point was, Paul. It was for absolute queen Melissa Peterman to finally reveal her top five hunkiest highlights of the season. Shall we go through them? Yeah, sure. It was so good. So I love this when she comes out and she's like, I'm here to rank which of you I want to fuck. This was great. Uh, number five was Drake's hair.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm on board. I mean, I I think it's getting it's getting out of control now. I think he needs to cut it a bit. I agree.

SPEAKER_00

And just I know he looked so weird. They all it was the makeup or something, they all looked truly fucked up on the union. Uh, so we get a montage of Drake's hair, and she gives him a little gift each, and it's like Melissa Peterman merch. Yeah, and I want a hairbrush with her face in it for number four, which this was incorrectly placed, was Davy during the talent show. I was like, clearly that was supposed to be number one, and there was another mix-up.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. I maybe he like insulted someone and the crew. I like I just don't get it.

SPEAKER_00

Something happened, something fucking happened backstage, man.

SPEAKER_02

And I did get the feeling like out of everyone on that stage, he looked the most uncomfortable being there.

SPEAKER_00

At the start when he walked in, he was kind of like, everyone else was like, and he was just kind of like, yeah. And then I'm like, You are you are too cool to be here, Davey. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02

I was surprised that he got on all fours and put his ass up in the air at one point, though.

SPEAKER_00

Well, surprised or delighted? Both. Uh number three was Jake as Santa with ripping the shirt off, which I'm glad we got to see that again.

SPEAKER_02

I think, and I think the the producers realized that they were stupid for getting rid of him so early because he had a lot of screen time in this reunion. Yeah, he's the only one that got cast in something, and he was the first eliminated.

SPEAKER_00

Like, what the fuck? It was the football thing. It's it's the Travis Kelsey of it all, isn't it? They were like, let's put him in a football movie, look at like he's gorgeous. Yeah. Um, two was Marcus's smile, which I was like, yes, that's correct. Uh and then number one, and this is when I was like, Oh Melissa, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01

She's like, It's you, Jonathan, because friendship is the hunkiest quality of all.

SPEAKER_02

And they're like, Yeah, yeah. There's nothing hotter than a guy with so much Botox in his face that he cannot move it at all whatsoever. I know that's my number one.

SPEAKER_00

You think this is bad? Have you seen the boyfriend or the husband? Yes, oh my god, that face is like Amanda LaPore levels of like fucking fill it up, man. Yeah, yeah. Uh they shade Davy for grape eating, and I'm like, how fucking dare you? You leave my man alone. I got full light, I was like, when they were like, they were like, hey Davy, go eat a grape.

SPEAKER_02

He should really like well, if anyone watched this show, which I don't know of anyone does, he could, you know, get a sponsorship with Big Grape or something.

SPEAKER_00

But um like a grape soda, yeah, yeah. True.

SPEAKER_02

Fan of grape. Get on it.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. Uh I feel like he's too fitness, but he's he's more of like a fitness brand aligned guy, and like a soda probably wouldn't work out, but yeah, an actual fruit that's like a healthy or like grape flavoured protein powder. There you go, perfect.

SPEAKER_01

Jonathan mentions the snowmans, guys. Snowmance, snowmans, snowmans, anybody?

SPEAKER_00

And he also uh gets Jake to talk about the romance of it all, and Jake talks about being in the locker rooms um in football and how this experience comes close close. Uh fucking hell. Uh then we learn that Rustin and Angel are golf buddies now.

SPEAKER_02

What a fun time that would be hanging out on the course video.

SPEAKER_01

And they were like, ho ho ho ho work on your swing, man.

SPEAKER_00

And Jake and Logan are definitely fucking let's just be real.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Uh and surprise, surprise, Angel cries and announces he's gonna be a dead.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Blessings to you, Angel.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Congratulations, you fucked someone.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. He's he knocked someone up. And then Rustin ends the season with uh Michael Booblay impersonation.

SPEAKER_01

And that's it.

SPEAKER_00

We did it.

SPEAKER_02

I have to say, Rustin's song wasn't as bad as what I thought it was gonna be, but the performance of it was awful. Um surprised they let him do it.

SPEAKER_00

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02

I I'm guessing is they've licensed it to put it in some of their movies. There it is. It's all everything in this thing is a branding exercise.

SPEAKER_00

All synergy and what can we And that's what Christmas is all about, people. So here we are.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Like I I was actually thinking that during that film, uh, like there's a scene where before she goes to bed, she's making her own homemade snow globes, and I'm thinking, like, who would want that in their house? You're just creating landfill. You stupid bitch. Big time. Yeah, which I guess is the the meaning of Christmas.

SPEAKER_00

It truly is, and on that night, I'm gonna go and write myself off into the uh holidays.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, and we don't have to watch this show for a whole year.

SPEAKER_00

I know. Do you yeah, I actually look, low key, I am hoping it comes back because this is becoming a a a Christmas tradition that I quite enjoy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I actually enjoy these recordings more than watching the show itself at this point.

SPEAKER_00

It's not at all worth it being here with you, Paul. Well, have a Merry Christmas. Thanks, Doll. You too. And a happy new year. And I'll see you on the other side to talk about the boyfriend, which is Bah in J. And we'll be talking about it real soon.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, can't wait.

SPEAKER_00

I'll see you then. Bye bye.

SPEAKER_02

See ya. Bye.

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