Australian Survivor - Brains Vs Brawn II (w/ Karin Gunatilake)

Coven leader and QUEEN of Australian Survivor Brains v Brawn II Karin Gunatilake finally joins Sam on the cringe couch to relive the season that was and chit chat about whats been goin' on. Sam get’s the T on Jury Villa, Karin’s final tribal and the casting process. The dolls also chat upcoming US Survivor Season 50 and Australia Vs The World casts as well as some Real Housewives and The Handmaid's Tale. 

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Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_05 0:00

This podcast was produced on the land of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. Welcome to Australia!

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Someone who is such a connoisseur of reality television. The content is hideous.

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So sorry about this. Oh my god.

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Divar.

The Doctor is in The House

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Diva. Karin. Hello. Hello. How are you?

SPEAKER_04 0:24

I'm very good, thank you. Um slightly overworked. Um, but yeah, overworked and underpaid. Over oh, overworked and like paid the oh no. No underpaid. I was like, no, I'm paid.

SPEAKER_05 0:38

You're an actual doctor, no? Yeah. I love this.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

No, not a fake doctor. Like a doctor. Good. You're an actual one.

SPEAKER_05 0:44

Not like yeah, you can get like a PhD online. And did people in the hospital recognize you sometimes?

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Oh my god. It was She's from Savoyba. Or it was actually kind of nuts when it was actually airing. And like the entire department was like super supportive and also mercilessly made fun of me.

SPEAKER_05 1:03

Yeah, great. Well that's the whole point.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

I know, but then like you'd be in a case desperately trying to like suture or sew someone back up. Quite literally a like there's an open gaping wound. And then and then one of the nurses will go, but like Karin, you know when Zar. I'm like, God damn it.

SPEAKER_05 1:26

But Karen, so AJ, how much do we hate him? And you're like, girl, someone's dying in front of us. Like, no, no, I need to know.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

It's like, is he that annoying?

SPEAKER_05 1:37

I'm like, you don't think he's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah. And it's like, so Logan. I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46

That was my number one question to all of you, because I know we met at the at a viewing party, and there was a few of the Melbourne gillies there, and to everyone, I was just like, so what's it? Do we hate him? And they were all really like whatever about it, which was nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it made me think, oh yeah, like this is just TV.

SPEAKER_04 2:03

Well, it is just TV. And the thing is, like, you you make up so much bullshit about each other. Yeah. Like, and that's the whole premise of it. You're like, oh, he breathes too loud. He sucks, doesn't he? And like, you know, you will spread the like merciless slander about everyone.

SPEAKER_05 2:21

And you gave great like confessional. Because some people go on and I think they just, I don't know, they must just go out there and play it like it's some kind of game show or something, which I'm like, okay, whatever. But you were like, I'm here to make television.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

I oh my god, no. So

The Housewives Edit

SPEAKER_04 2:38

I was not. Really? No.

SPEAKER_05 2:39

Oh well, you accidentally did. I thought I thought you knew what you were doing. I was like, this bitch is like a housewives fan. She's throwing shade everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

Look, I am like I you know you're a reality TV fan when you have a Hey U subscription.

SPEAKER_05 2:52

Okay, great. That's all yeah. Yeah. You wouldn't be here right now if you're not. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 2:56

And do I watch every season of Housewives? Yes. Yes! I know Housewives, but like it's very different to when you're doing the thing yourself. And I remember the first sort of plus you're like unwashed.

SPEAKER_05 3:08

It's like nothing glamorous about being on a beach.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

I know, it's like, oh my god, I had caveat and the champagne was absolutely atrocious. No, it was like, oh, the coconut was undercooked, and I think there was a maggot in my rice. Like, um, but the first if you're lucky, Pro Tune, we did a bunch of interviews, and they're like, no, we need to we need to amp it up.

SPEAKER_05 3:28

Oh, they're like spice that pump up the spice.

SPEAKER_04 3:31

Yeah, or they go, tell us about being a doctor, and I'm like, oh I I don't know, man. I just do like I don't really do.

SPEAKER_05 3:36

It's like admin, they're like, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Tell us the gaping wound story. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:40

Tell us about the time you save. I was like, well, I don't really do the life saving. My boss does the life saving, I do the assisting. Like, I'm the like assistant life saver.

SPEAKER_05 3:49

Also, they really wanted your narrative to be like, She saves lives.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I'm the doctor. And then and then um, and then I just like finally I was like, all right, oh fuck this. Fine, fine, fine, fine. I'll give you what you want. And that's where the whole like um, I'm not here to uh fix things, I'm here to break bones. And I found a twig and I like stamped it over my knee, threw it on my shoulder, and the guy was like, Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

And then they like dangle out like a piece of chocolate, and they're like, well done.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Yeah, they're like, okay, you see, we we've seen this, you can do this.

SPEAKER_05 4:20

Great, great. I said, Oh, great. So, yeah, I assume it would take most people a little while to like loosen into it. Oh, but first time being on.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Oh, some people are naturals though. Oh like Logan, oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 4:31

Oh, really? So she knew, but she's kind of was she on a show before?

SPEAKER_04 4:34

No, no, no, I think she's just like built for media, like she's like known through her partner, right?

SPEAKER_05 4:42

Yeah, like so maybe she has done a bit of media.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

I think she's media trained, she's been in the public eye a lot, so she knows how to be like, okay, yes, angle, angle, great.

SPEAKER_05 4:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

I don't like him.

SPEAKER_05 4:52

That made sense. She was giving housewives the whole time. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah. Um, and then and then the more like irate I got with people, the more I'm like, I don't give a shit. I hate his face.

SPEAKER_05 5:06

We need to talk about housewives. Okay. Um, what are what are your like favourite franchises? What are you watching any at the moment?

SPEAKER_04 5:15

So I'm not watching anything at the moment because I'm we are in a bit of a lull. We are in a bit of a lull, but I'm also on a digital detox, which is well, I don't know. I know I love that.

SPEAKER_05 5:24

Being Zen, but you need to do that, but yeah, it's it's your job.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

So you can't. Um, but I was OG New York, New York all the way.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

Yes, correct.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

From when the Duchess was your she's no longer a Duchess, no, she's not. The Countess. The Countess or the Duchess.

SPEAKER_05 5:41

She's coming to Australia, did you see? For Mardi Gras next year. Mardi Gras? But she said she will likely do a Melbourne show. Okay. But either way, you know I'm going to.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

I know, and I I downloaded like the bootleg version of her like um etiquette book. Yes. So OG New York, 100%.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Countess, Ramona.

SPEAKER_04 6:02

Yeah, um, and then Sonia Morgan. And then who's um who's the who's she's she's got the really like strong accent. I still uh Bethany Frankel. Oh yeah, yeah, when Bethany Frankel was like, you know, the making the uh low carb martinis or low-carb mark. Skinny girls. Skinny girl martinis.

SPEAKER_05 6:19

Now she's just like causing chaos globally by like yeah, going into restaurants and she's one of those people that who's like yeah, some people need to be like taken away from TikTok. But or do they, because it's it's great, amazing.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

Um, she recently posted this thing about her eating. I was like, oh god, it's so bad having caviar in the house and not having time to eat it. Oh, I'm just gonna open my oh I can't even open it. It was like, and these are like this the specialty crackers you get at all the rich bitch um housewife stores, and we're like Did you fuck with any of the Australian versions?

SPEAKER_05 6:59

Oh, Melbourne. Yeah, obviously.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

Right, Gina. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 7:02

Gina for Gina, you know, Gina was my celebrant at my wedding.

SPEAKER_04 7:06

She was not I love her.

SPEAKER_05 7:08

It's worth every penny. She was so good.

SPEAKER_04 7:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:12

Exactly how you'd expect. Yeah. Just an absolute queen.

SPEAKER_04 7:16

I I love her. Every I've got like um, you know, when you save yourself like TikTok sounds for later. Yeah. I've I've got a lot of Gina ones saved.

SPEAKER_05 7:26

Insignificant Arthur hair. House the cards about to topple. Yeah, I'd I'd use Gina-isms daily, I would say.

SPEAKER_04 7:36

Gina isms are so great because you're going, yeah, like you're obviously an incredibly intelligent, smart, articulate woman. Yeah. And then like the hair, like the hair is the hair.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Everything.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

Yeah, as I don't know who said this, but you know, the higher the bigger the hair, the closer to God. And she is God almighty. She is. But yeah. Um, and then I like briefly dabbled in the British franchises.

SPEAKER_05 7:59

Okay, so I never have, but they're about to start London. Yeah. Which is new, which is a Hey You uh produced show.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 8:08

And I'm umming and Ring, depending on schedule, like I may even recap it on the pod. I don't know. I feel like it could be fun. Yeah. But so you're talking about like Cheshire?

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Cheshire, I watched Cheshire.

SPEAKER_05 8:18

I've never watched a a frame of it, but I've heard it's fun.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

It's fun because it's like like British rich people, which is like a new level of rich. It's like, oh god, we went to shoot the ducks this morning.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

Why I haven't watched it is there's so much premium uh reality content from the UK already. Do you know what I mean? So I feel like I've never had to watch their housewives because they've got so much amazing binfire shows. Um made in Chelsea. Made in Chelsea, Only Way as Essex, their their big brother is top notch, the tr their version of the traitors is Essex. Love Island. Oh yeah, British Island. Love Island. Like their their reality is like solid, so I'm kinda like, I don't need your Housewives, but I will, yeah. I reckon I'll I'll give London a go.

SPEAKER_04 9:03

Because it's all of so basically all of the you know the rich brats on Made and Chelsea, it's their parents.

SPEAKER_05 9:08

Great.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

Yeah, which we love because we want to see what mommy and daddy do.

SPEAKER_05 9:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:12

Um like and how did you like it?

SPEAKER_05 9:14

And it's been running for ages. I think there's like 10 or so seasons, maybe even more. So that's why I haven't started it. Like, that's intimidating.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

No, I dabbled in the early seasons and I can't say I've picked it up again. But yeah, long, long time follower of Maiden Chelsea. Like, um, I still follow like Hugo um and then who's Hugo's wife that they had.

SPEAKER_05 9:34

Oh god, I can't remember. That's another one where there has been drama. Like there's like five years worth of content.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

Millie Macintosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Millie Macintosh and Hugo Taylor.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 9:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He she dated a um some rap dude for some time. Yeah. See? Oh my god, see, reality TV. It's all yeah, it's all coming back to me.

SPEAKER_05 9:54

Did you watch Sydney at all?

SPEAKER_04 9:56

Oh, briefly. The new one was good.

SPEAKER_05 9:59

It was on at the same time as Survivor this year, which was fucking annoying for me. But um highly recommend it was like I don't know, a lot of there was a lot of like off-camera drama, which made for like some awkward viewing, but also was quite fabulous.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

Well, so there apparently, apparently, there might be a Brisbane edition.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

So that's the thing, they keep spoiling us with this. Then I've heard about a Gold Coast one, which I think would probably be better than Brisbane, because I feel like it'd be more like you know, cashed up Bogan's vibe, which I'm so here for.

SPEAKER_04 10:35

Well, Zara's biggest dream is to get on Zara needs to be on it.

SPEAKER_05 10:39

I know she didn't even say that, didn't she? She didn't know. I'm sure she was like, I'm a housewife, and I was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:45

No, she she like it's she's like she will like she's like pick me, pick me. I am a like she wants to get on it, and I think she'd be great for it.

SPEAKER_05 10:53

That's like, did you do you ever watch Belowdeck? Yes. Do you remember Hannah Ferrier from Mediterranean? So I met her recently at a Housewives event, and I was like, what are you doing here? And like not that many people there knew who she was, but I was like, I I'm obsessed with you, and she was like, girl, like just you wait like season four or whatever, and I was like, do it. I was like, get on, get Hannah on Housewives. There's so many people that would be good, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:23

See, this is this is my thing. I feel like I would want to go on House Boys, but I like fundamentally like don't want to get married.

SPEAKER_05 11:28

No, I don't think I can't say that for you. Yeah. No, not it. Maybe like a uh medical married to medicine to medicine would be great, but yes. Yeah, there you go. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:42

So there's only ever been one housewives survivor crossover I can think of, and it's Angela Rao. Do you remember her?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:50

She was on Threw Housewives of Melbourne.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Was she?

SPEAKER_05 11:52

Yes. And the Housewives. Yes. Oh god. Season five. She was huge drama of that season. Because there was this whole thing about did she did the producers put her up in an apartment that wasn't her house, and then they said it was her house, and she got stitched up. Yeah. And then that's why she was like a villain on Heroes versus Villains. But I believe, did she go first or very early?

SPEAKER_04 12:17

No, no, she she went up first. She got done essentially, because like she formed an alliance with George and um Jackie.

SPEAKER_05 12:24

She has her first mustache.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

And um I reckon it would have been a great alliance. It was it was her, George, and um oh my god, Jackie. Jackie? No. Um she's the poker player.

SPEAKER_06 12:35

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:35

Yeah, yeah. That was the thr the three-person alliance, and then both George and um the I forget her name. I think it was Jackie, I think you're right. Yeah, yeah. Um she got they got injured, like first challenge.

SPEAKER_05 12:46

That's right. That was when George's face got like seriously fucked up. And then they so I should have laughed. Poor George, and they like put him overnight. And also, what he was like loving it. I'm like, okay.

King George is a Sadist

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Well he came back with like they didn't clean up his gas. He was just like picked up blood. And then I read George's book and he's like, I did it on purpose. And I was like, Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_05 13:09

I love George so like friend of the pod, George. Always afterwards stuff. So, oh, totally meant to do that.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

I'm like, as if I reckon he's enough of a psycho to be like, now leave the blood on my face. I want I want them to know.

SPEAKER_05 13:22

Actually, yeah, he would have been like, Don't don't even stitch it out. Don't stitch it out. I want to look like a wounded bird.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

Yeah, yeah. And then they like, um, but yeah, that's why um An Anjali got like screwed over because they like George went overnight and then Jackie oh Jackie Gla Jackie Glacier, um, were broke her collarbone? Yeah, collarbone.

SPEAKER_05 13:42

And she got pulled.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

She got pulled.

SPEAKER_05 13:44

So then Alliance was dead. Okay, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04 13:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I but I think it was a saving grace because I reckon George would have been booted that night. I know.

SPEAKER_05 13:51

George had some opinions about your season. Oh didn't he? I mean, I had him on the pod recently to talk about Eurovision. Go back and listen to that if you haven't. Bitch, I heard you. No, and he was like, because I was like, what did you think of Brands' Ron 2? And he was like, eh. I was like, shut up. It was great. They the cast was fantastic. I think he was again for one of those gamer people that are like all about the game, which I can take or leave. I just want good characters, which I believe I well and truly got this season.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

Like, were we the the smartest of you know strategy bots? No.

SPEAKER_05 14:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

But were we an absolute like dustbin fire of drama?

Jury Villa Drama

SPEAKER_05 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:43

Ten out of ten.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

So this is my theory. So this is my theory. Like, nobody gives a shit about Jury Villa. Like, nobody gives a shit about Jury Villa. I do.

SPEAKER_05 14:51

But like It was the best. It was like Drag Race Untucked this year. I was watching it, I was watching the show just to watch Jury Villa this year.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

So this this year, however, like they don't you don't usually publicize the Jury Villa. You don't go like, oh, what's happening in Drury Villa this week? Because you're like, okay, they're just sitting around a circle eating food. Nothing's happening. Whereas our Jewelry Villa.

SPEAKER_05 15:12

You had you had an activated homosexual in your villa, Ms. Paulie. She was starting. Every time someone walked in, they hadn't even had a Tim Tam yet. And she was like, uh, so um, are we gonna talk about what you said? And I was like, Oh, which is great. How good.

SPEAKER_04 15:33

I know, and then everyone kind of just went, Oh, they're so mean. And we're like, Yeah, we were fucking mean, but it was great.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

You did the thing, yeah, screen time, I say.

SPEAKER_04 15:43

Well, yeah, because first of all, we've just been booted. Yeah, we are now no longer the centerpiece of this thing, but we are still on camera.

SPEAKER_05 15:52

So And how heavy are the cameras in um Jury Villa? Like, are they always uh is it just like alright, we're gonna do like a little bit and then they leave? Or is it just as pervasive?

SPEAKER_04 16:04

No, no, no, no. So um your jewelry feast has like cameras on it. So that's because that's like the main thing.

SPEAKER_05 16:10

It's like a MAFS dinner party.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

Oh, quite literally. It is pretty police there. Oh, and then um and then they record that and then then they don't record the entire thing. Yeah. I think they record for like I don't know, the first like 15-20 minutes. And if the drama is like really peaking, they'll kind of go like, oh shit. Yeah, just keep this running, keep this running. Um and then I'm like, all right, good night, everyone. Yeah, and then they just let you eat your food and then you go back to the villa and then you kumbaya and I was living for Drew Villa.

SPEAKER_05 16:39

I wanted to be there. It looked like it was it fun? It looked it looked really fun.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

It was hell, so my Drew Villa was hilarious because A, I'm like freaking worried because um my Paulie's gonna murder me. Yeah, um, and Lori's.

SPEAKER_05 16:52

What was his beef on you? I honestly cannot remember. He just had beef with everyone, and I was like, all right, dull, settle down.

SPEAKER_04 16:59

We we had we had the but mainly because he's like, why did you tell everyone I was a snake or salesman?

SPEAKER_05 17:04

Was that you that originated the snake?

SPEAKER_04 17:07

I think it was a mixture of both AJ and I, but we did spread the the rumours and the nastiness. Yeah. Um, and then um girls. Yeah, and then when we went back to merge and And it was just saying that he was like untrustworthy.

SPEAKER_05 17:24

Well, yeah. Which is kind of correct, but also so was all of you. Oh yeah, come on.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

Yeah, but it was also because Paulie was the only one actively trying to make these two different factions kind of work together, and then he got kind of busted. Well, yeah, well, no, and it was uh kind of went like if I leave Paulie to his own devices, he will actually get them to work together. Whereas if I just like poke at Ursula and poke at Noonan slightly, they'll just come back to the city. Um what's the what's the word? Um what did they say? Don't treat me like a dog. Don't talk to me like a dog. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Woof woof. Famous line. Famous line.

SPEAKER_05 17:58

Don't talk to me like a dog.

SPEAKER_04 17:59

Yeah. I roll gay.

SPEAKER_05 18:01

I roll gay. That's right. Exactly. Um I think my favorite Jury Villa interaction though was Paul Lee with Kristen Kirsten when she came in. I actually because I wasn't vibing with her as a character on the show, but when that happened, I actually I felt really bad for her. I was like, this I was like, she looks actually quite upset.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

Because so, so the the Kristen Jury Villa episode, um, it was it was it was a combination of things. I think Paulie went on the offense mainly because uh few ones. Yeah, and then he he kind of just wanted to ask, you know, Kristen, like, oh, like why did you say this about me? Why did you trust me? And Kristen was very matter-of fact and went, I didn't want to work with you, I didn't trust you and Paulie. Actually, you're dead wrong.

SPEAKER_05 18:46

Yeah, and I think he wasn't expecting that answer.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

Yeah, exactly. Because Kristen is a delightful human being.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

Yeah, she's freaking trying to hadn't sat down at this point. She like just walked in that thing. That was the bit that got me. It was like, I was like, let us die out. She doesn't even put the like the little hat on or whatever they give you.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Your um your your lay or your crown, your crown, your flower crown.

SPEAKER_05 19:08

Flower crown and your pet box of Tim Tams.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

Yeah. Um so Polly went on the offense there, and then obviously my dumbass also like when like the and the rocks thing really like we That's right.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

Yeah, we were kind of just like was it she that didn't know about rocks? So I thought that was like Kate.

SPEAKER_04 19:28

No, I think there's a few of them. There were a few of them that didn't know what it was, and that entire tribal like um was like it it all hit us. We went, oh, they have no clue. Great, great, great. And it it's it's a bit really like tough pill to swallow where you're going, okay, because you kind of go into the reality of it going, like, this person made it further in the game, this is fine, but then you like this sinks in and you're going, Oh, you didn't know the rules.

SPEAKER_05 19:56

Yeah, I can imagine that being kind of like, but I think that's just the way they cast on Australian Survivor. It's like they want a good mix.

US Survivor is for Nerds

SPEAKER_05 20:04

Because I don't know, do you watch American Survivor? Because I feel like it's a 100% nerds now, which like sounds good, but it doesn't make for good TV.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

No, it doesn't. And it like the Australian the thing about Australian Survivor is that you've got a few people, you've got levels of people that have knowledge in the game, and it makes it really fun for us when if someone doesn't know the game, you go, okay, this is great.

SPEAKER_05 20:26

Great, great for you, because you can yeah, that would be a great strategy, actually. Go on, pretend you've never seen it, yeah, and then actually at the end be like I know what I'm doing. Um because AJ to you had the my favorite line of the season. Do you even watch the island?

SPEAKER_04 20:44

Don't patronize me.

SPEAKER_05 20:45

That was so good. Um, right? No, he's not. Oh, he's not. No. Oh, so he was just being mean?

SPEAKER_04 20:56

Well, no, because he's watched he's he's watched he's he watched enough Survivor and he's like a poker player, so he knows strategy. Um but he's he never mentioned that. No, no, he didn't.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

That was his whole thing because I think like he didn't conversion all as a poker player.

SPEAKER_04 21:11

Um but I think because in like the public ally or in like the survivor sphere of things, like poker players don't make it that far because oh, so he kept it on the DLT.

SPEAKER_05 21:20

Oh no, he was talking about it consistently in his interview.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

Because that's his shtick. She's like, Yeah, I'm gonna I don't know, bet on the house or flip that I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 21:30

He could have also said that once, and the producers have just used it. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:36

Um, but that was his thing.

SPEAKER_05 21:38

Do you think the editors did troll AJ a bit?

SPEAKER_04 21:41

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like you can um you can see it as soon as he comes on and he is talking to any one of the female species. She is the creepy clown music player. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:50

It was creepy clown music. It was creepy clown music for sure.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

Um, and like I didn't help because my hundred percent he's just AI generated.

unknown 21:59

That's

SPEAKER_05 22:00

That's right. That was a great line.

SPEAKER_04 22:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:02

They were those pickup lines. They were not good.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

No, no, which is what 100% what he was doing. And like all of the yeah, chat GPT comments. I went, okay, bro, are you did you like Google this?

SPEAKER_05 22:14

Yeah, it was like he'd been at a a therapy session where they were teaching him like how to ask questions for the week before.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

Um and that was the slander I spread. I went, that is not real. Um, but and then obviously they just used every clip I said and then just like copy pasted it to every time he opened his mouth to really set the scene.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

But I feel like you were on the right side of history with that. People would have been like, Yes, like myself.

SPEAKER_04 22:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:41

Did anyone like DM you being like, you're being mean?

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Oh yeah, so many people. Really? Yeah. Because um 90% of it was whenever like there was like they'd um like Survivor on Instagram would post these, like, oh like what's Karen gonna do? And like they'd had like me saying something scathing on my official account, yeah, like memes.

SPEAKER_05 23:00

Can they just stop doing that?

SPEAKER_04 23:01

Some of them were okay though. Were they? Yeah, I think it's a review. Um but all of the videos are like um Karen's just mad because AJ's playing the game. Oh, just yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:12

Or they're like Incel bros. Yeah, like she's never even watched the show.

SPEAKER_04 23:16

Exactly. Like, yeah, like watch one season of Survivor and you'll figure it out. I'm like, I'm d dude, like the the point of it is to complain.

SPEAKER_05 23:24

Totally.

SPEAKER_04 23:25

Yeah, like what do you want me to do? Sit there and be like, oh no, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 23:30

Like the whole time. Yeah, like I'm I couldn't do it, man.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

It gets to a certain point. So I I this was like really counterintuitive, but it got to a point. My stomach was like in knots, um, and it was really bad. We'd go, so this was the thing. Every time we went to tribal, we would eat before. Um, and the beans would really upset my stomach.

SPEAKER_05 23:49

Everyone's just farting at tribal.

SPEAKER_04 23:51

You don't understand. So like I'd open my mouth to say something, and there'd be like a symphony orchestra from my stomach.

SPEAKER_05 23:58

Not in front of JLP.

SPEAKER_04 23:59

I know, and then everyone would just giggle, and I'm going, guys, I'm trying to do something serious here, and I'm gassy. I'm just full of gas at this point. No wonder I was like mean and like I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 24:11

Well, we'll get to your final tribal performance in a minute. But before I want to go back to American Survivor, did you watch 48?

SPEAKER_04 24:18

Oh god, I hated it. It was so bad.

SPEAKER_05 24:20

But you did finish it.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

No.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

No, okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:23

I watched Final Tribal because I watched up until like Camilla got booted. Because she was I was number one Stan Camilla.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

She's when the kid. Yeah. So the cast came out and it was really funny. Um, so the cast came out, and like I'm in bed this like 6 a.m. and the cast is coming out, and I scroll through, and I'm like, I know this woman's one of my people. And so I like click follow. Yeah um, like just read up her stats and everything, and I'm like trying to send her a message, and I see the bubbles going.

SPEAKER_05 24:52

Yes, and so you two were just already like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

So I send her a message being like, dude, and she's like, oh my god, dude. So she's also my age as well. Um and we both go like, oh my god, you're wearing overalls. I'm wearing overalls. You're shrilling it, I'm shrillaging, and both of us are just like losing it, going, This is hilarious. Um, and then that's cute. Later on the down the track, sh we both realised that our both our favorite movies are the same movie.

SPEAKER_05 25:18

What's the movie?

SPEAKER_04 25:19

Uh Holes.

SPEAKER_05 25:20

Oh my god, cute. I remember like reading the book in like primary school or something.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

Yeah, yeah. I think that's a really nice story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like watched it out of you know, deference to her, and then Kyle's really good as well. Um, but then oh my god. Not it.

SPEAKER_05 25:37

No, it wasn't it that final episode. It felt like it went for a year. Yeah. It's funny, like the irony is that that show is really short now. You know, what is it, 26 days or whatever? The episodes are a little bit longer, but still the only the whole season is like 13 episodes or something. Whereas like your season was like 5,000 episodes, but was so much more to take like that to me is crazy that they have like less frames to fill, yeah, but manage to fill them with more such boring stuff.

SPEAKER_04 26:09

I think I'd like not like it's not that the people don't have personality.

SPEAKER_05 26:15

Well, of course, I'm sure they're awesome. I'm I do not blame the cast for a second. I think it's Jeff.

SPEAKER_04 26:21

Yeah, it's the mechanics of the game. So the like, first of all, why do they have to go on these stupid journeys within the sort of thing?

SPEAKER_05 26:28

Uh not it.

SPEAKER_04 26:28

No.

SPEAKER_05 26:29

And also, I don't want to watch people reading convoluted rules to like roll a dice and then flip a coin and think it's like cool, alright.

SPEAKER_04 26:38

Because first of all, you've taken their agency out of the game completely, which is what adds to like um a plot line or character development or anything in a show. Then you put their life on the line down to blind luck and chance.

SPEAKER_05 26:52

The luck part of it, the shot in the dark is offensive. Like I hate it. I guess it's like I kind of like it as like a it feels like it feels like a video game like suicide pill or something like last resort thing. Sure. I get it in theory, but it only one time has it ever like made for good television. Every other time it's like, no, you're not safe, cool. See uh oh great. Yeah, and then just doing the journeys, no, constantly reading little scrolls.

SPEAKER_04 27:19

And the so journeys suck, no, blind chance is terrible, and then the loser vote. Like you're you're you're taking someone out of the game. Yeah, now they can't do anything. You've taken variability out of a game, um, and now like what are you left with?

SPEAKER_06 27:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:34

It's and then the three tribes of six people. No, you only get all these like rifts developing because there's 12 people trying to form a relationship.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

Yeah, you also need I think you need bigger tribes because people will either fade into the background or push forward to the leadership position. Yeah, and you need a larger group to do that, I think.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:56

Also, it allows for the factions to form.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 27:59

And then, like you're saying, like with Paulie, like people to be playing both sides. You can't really play both sides when there's like six. And there's six people.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

And the whole premise of like the underdog stories where you sort of like hide amongst the 12 people, build your like little group of people, and then slowly amass forces until you get to a point, which you can't do with six. It's either gonna be a it's always like a four-two split and whatever happens, and then final four fire.

SPEAKER_05 28:23

No, yeah, I'm confused about that.

SPEAKER_04 28:26

But I no, like why going to fire? Sure.

SPEAKER_05 28:29

When there's like a two-two fire, yeah, yeah, when it's an absolute but yeah, just going straight to that feels not correct.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

Yeah, and I don't know, Jeff sounds like a cult leader.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

He does, he's got no lols, he's just yeah, I just feel like he's too far into it now where he's lost, like his personality is now just the host's personality, and that's it, and there's no because like OG Jeff used to be like Sass, yeah, absolute Sass and like vicious, and he was uh in a little bit present-day JLP who like is having fun and kind of doesn't want to be there in a way, which you want, like I want that. I want him to be like too good for it. Yeah, you know what I mean? I don't want him to be like nerding out that he's there. Fuck no. I like it. He's kind of just like, hey guys, I'm like a LA bro that's just doing this for the cash.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

I'm just here, I'm just here to get a good tan.

SPEAKER_05 29:25

Totally. It's like the best gig ever for him.

SPEAKER_04 29:28

Um, because what was the really embarrassing thing that um Jeff did? There there was a challenge and they won chicken and waffles, and they sang that god-awful song, and it was the cringiest moment ever. I'm the the reason I was like Camilla Stan, because she honestly looked like she wanted to fade into the ground and die.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

Who else are you?

Australia v The World and US 50 Cast Assessments

SPEAKER_05 29:49

So obviously Os V The World coming up later this year. Very exciting. Yes. Um, do you love the cast for that, firstly?

SPEAKER_04 29:57

Yes, um, it's good, it's it's very good. I've been like uh obviously like Dave Janay stan for Oh yes, right. Love Dave Janay. Yeah, um, so really like really excited team there, and obviously like Parvity.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Yeah, him and they've just been on Don D.

unknown 30:13

Don D.

SPEAKER_05 30:15

Where he's just like absolutely Steel or Nojo Island together, which like what the fuck was that show? Yeah. I watched the first episode and the last episode. It's really good. And I was like, great, I get it. No, it was really good.

SPEAKER_04 30:27

I was it good, yeah. It was really good. Mainly, mainly I think the good part of it was that there was um like Dave and Poverty there. Yes, and they turned it into like sort of a survivor scenario where they had alliances.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

And she was the only one who knew about him. Yes, and this is what I love. So now they have this shared experience, and in the timeline, was that before like did they film that before Osvia the World, but it hadn't aired yet?

SPEAKER_04 30:56

Yeah, I think I think the timeline was definitely like Dealer No Deal Island first and then.

SPEAKER_05 31:02

Yeah, but it hadn't aired. So Par I I think. Yeah. So if so, that could make for some great drama where Parv is the only person that knows that he won the most amount of money anyone's ever won on television. Oh do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 31:17

Or you and and then then up to it.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

And then it's up to her. She could be She could ruin it. She could she could this is what I'm hoping for is that she's just like, hey, hey, I don't know, hey Shawnee. Guess what? Hey George. Dave just won like the equivalent of like six million Australian dollars. Literally. It was something like that. Wasn't it like three it was like nine?

SPEAKER_04 31:36

Oh no, three USD, which was ignored or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 31:40

Yeah, which is like five billion Australian dollars at this point.

SPEAKER_04 31:44

Um, like if you slip that in and be like, hey.

SPEAKER_05 31:46

Yeah, you could destroy him.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

Yeah, because you you would have to win Australian Survivor like 12 times over to get this amount.

SPEAKER_05 31:52

Parv is gonna be great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:54

Um Siri. Yeah. Yes. Like Final.

SPEAKER_05 31:57

She's also on 50. She's on 50. Which I was shocked by because I thought once you come to our shores, yeah. I heard that that makes little Jeff quite upset.

SPEAKER_04 32:08

Well, Jeff gets upset when you go to a different franchise as well, which is why I like Carolyn um from 43 no 43.

SPEAKER_05 32:15

Oh, oh yeah, she's not on because she did traders, but Cerie did traders.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

So arguably like Jeff gets some consistency.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Yeah, exactly. Which is why I love Carolyn. She's a fucking icon. I love Carolyn.

SPEAKER_05 32:30

Oh, it's she was the best part of that season.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

She was the best part of traders because we love as like an expressive queen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We love her. Um, which is great. Um, and then everyone sort of like taking her for the fool, and you're going, I'm I'm sorry, girl, what? Um, and thinking that she's like, Oh, Carolyn would never do that. I'm like, Carolyn would.

SPEAKER_05 32:53

I don't think anyone on that show had seen her on Survivor, so they didn't know what she was about. Yeah, yeah. She's actually quite fun.

SPEAKER_04 32:59

Yeah. Um, and then she played like an impeccable game as well, which is why it was like absurd.

SPEAKER_05 33:05

And then like Yeah, her not on 50 is a fucking crime.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

Yeah, absolute crime.

SPEAKER_05 33:10

Because who's even I looked at the castle and I was like, because I have watched every single season of American Survivor. The new era, I'm not gonna lie, I haven't been like invested. It's kind of just like been on yeah, in the background while you're like haven't they haven't stuck with me, but the people they've chosen from newer, and I knew they would do that. Yeah, and it seems fair. Also, it's like Jeff has to do that to like prove that it's a it's a part of the cat, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 33:37

It's like Jeff making history, but it doesn't make sense, like um it's clearly like a new gen and then an old gen um split. But to put two people from 49, which hasn't even aired.

SPEAKER_05 33:50

Yeah, that's dumb. Like why do you know what it should have been? Like they did this on um Ultimate Big Brother UK, where they had the season before it with just like uh civilians, and then um right afterwards they were like, if you win, they were like, if you win this season, you go straight into Ultimate Big Brother. They should do it like that. Like while 49 is on, they're like, the winner gets you know your million dollars, and we're gonna start filming 50 tomorrow and you have to stay out of here. Like that would have been sick as a twist.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

I mean, I mean, sure.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

And just one person and just the winner. Yeah. Then it would have made then it would have been a bit more fair because these people have no time to build public opinion. Also, this could backfire hard. What if those people they've picked flop down on the response?

SPEAKER_04 34:41

I think like the premise is that you get people in. So it was kind of like um in uh Heroes vs. Villains, American Fest, um, where Russell Hans had just come from the previous season.

SPEAKER_05 34:51

I forgot that he went off.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

Yeah. And he went straight into it.

SPEAKER_05 34:55

And they got rid of him straight away, didn't they? Yeah. Because they were like, fuck this.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

Because he's just just frankly an unlikable person and a little gremlin. So that's why.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

Um and I think this was also before they were casting fans on Australian Survivor. So the people would have been on it, would have been like, fuck this guy. Who does he think he's Oh no no no?

SPEAKER_04 35:12

I meant like Heroes V Villains, um, the American. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

SPEAKER_05 35:15

So I thought you were talking about when he came. What was the season of Australian one he went on?

SPEAKER_04 35:19

He uh oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 35:20

It was just like a normal normy one.

SPEAKER_04 35:22

Yeah, like a normal no, was it China?

SPEAKER_05 35:23

Oh he did oh he did back to back to back US ones.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

He did he did back-to-back US ones where he did done his like original season, which I forget. Um, and then he went straight to Heroes v. Villains. And he was like, the thing was like, oh like they're not gonna know that, you know.

SPEAKER_05 35:37

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 35:38

And then Parv and Sandra ran circles around him.

SPEAKER_05 35:41

It's kinda like, are you a drag race girly?

SPEAKER_04 35:43

Ooh, kind of recently.

SPEAKER_05 35:46

Because it's like Lydia Butthole Collins, she just did season whatever, yeah, and then now he's on All-Stars. And I think the new the the rest of the cast are like, who is this bitch? Yeah, but we're all like, woo, butthole, but I don't think they would have seen her on the show, yeah, which would be kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

I think that's what 50's going for, um, but doesn't make sense. But then you've got three from 48. Camilla, absolutely. Um, Kyle, just one, um, and then Joe.

SPEAKER_05 36:16

Putting people that just won on feels weird. Yeah. Like it, like I said, unless it was part of the prize.

SPEAKER_04 36:23

Yeah. Like let them marinate a bit.

SPEAKER_05 36:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:26

Um, and it's so I think I don't know, American Survivor is a little bit fine because it's like what 20 28 days. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:32

Like, God forbid, imagine doing 47 days of you're like.

SPEAKER_04 36:40

But like, could you imagine doing 47 days of Australian Survivor? And they're like, hey, Australian versus the world. You'd be like, I'm gonna go kill myself.

SPEAKER_05 36:47

Yeah, no, true. Yeah, yeah. But they're they're doing, yeah. I mean, there would be a little break shortly, but like to just do it back to back still. I don't know. I heard Ozzy had to delete his OnlyFans to go back onto the island, which I was like, that is not only are you ruining this show, but now you're ruining his career.

SPEAKER_04 37:05

Only fans for me?

SPEAKER_05 37:07

How dare you?

SPEAKER_04 37:08

But also the the reason Amanda Kimmel isn't playing is because Ozzy is there.

SPEAKER_05 37:12

Oh, what's their beef?

SPEAKER_04 37:14

Oh beef, like long time beef. But like um, yeah, I think I think Amanda, oh, I don't know. This is all like rumors. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but like the the beat the the sh the story is that Amanda was cast and then they told her Ozzy was gonna play, and then Amanda isn't.

SPEAKER_05 37:27

That's even more reason to put them all on. Like, come on. Yeah, but crime against making television here or not?

SPEAKER_04 37:33

I don't know. But crime against humanity that Amanda's not there.

SPEAKER_05 37:36

Yeah, she would have been great. Is who else is missing, do you think?

SPEAKER_04 37:40

Um so Carolyn, Amanda, um, and then who else?

SPEAKER_05 37:45

Um there's no coach is there. Oh no, there is coach is playing.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

Oh coach is playing, the dragon slayer's back.

SPEAKER_05 37:51

I'm into that because I love a a cringe king. And he's gonna be so bad that it's gonna be good. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 38:00

Oh god, I can't. I mean, I yeah, like I I loved Coach for the what he was as an entity, not as a person.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

Yeah, yeah. I'm excited to see Mike White.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

Mike White, yes. Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

That'll be great. Um I think that's that's clearly the like the draw card. That'll get a lot of people watching that maybe wouldn't normally watch, I think.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

Um and then so 47 is the reason I actually started watching New Gen, um US survivor, um, Genevieve. Love her. Oh yeah, Genevieve is great. She's she's literally in my like top ten players. I I think she's great. Um, so yes, love her.

SPEAKER_05 38:39

And are you guys all chatting? As in like like you said with Camilla, there's there's a little bit of Yeah, uh Hey girl.

SPEAKER_04 38:47

Hey girl. I think I hey girl because I was like, you're one of my girls. Um and I think like I think we all like sort of like across the pond follow each other occasionally, tweet back. Nice. Um, I think there was a coven tweet and then um the the OG chaos cast.

unknown 39:03

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

Oh my

The Coven

SPEAKER_05 39:04

god, I was gonna ask you about the coven. So this is like the shortest lived girl gang of all time. Tell me how did it start and what went wrong?

SPEAKER_04 39:14

So um coven, so coven started because I I kind of felt like super exposed because we we like got together and everyone was running around and I went, oh my god, what do I do? I have no idea. Oh god, help, help, help, help, help. Um, and I went, okay, okay, okay. I need to like hide amongst this. I need something. Laura seems kind of cool. Laura was like onto everyone, she was making friends left, right, and center. Every everyone like loved Laura and I was like, I need to get me some of that. Um I was like, well, I can't like get me some of that straight away and be like, hey, Laura, besties, because she'd already found a bestie Logan.

SPEAKER_05 39:49

True.

SPEAKER_04 39:50

True. And then Laura was like, Oh, I'm a witch, etc. And I was like, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. I got this.

SPEAKER_05 39:55

Which that did not go anywhere for me. We were so in the promos, I was like, fuck yeah, this witch. I was like so into the witch of it all. She was my winner. No, and then it just fizzled. I'm talking like storyline-wise. It's like we never heard about it. I wanted her casting spells.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

She did cast spells.

SPEAKER_05 40:13

Did she?

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Yeah, yeah, okay. We'll we'll get back to this.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

Oh, we'll get back to it.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

I'll show up.

SPEAKER_04 40:18

We'll get back to this. Um, but like I love naming things and I like really wanted like a cool thing. Um and I was like, I really want to call it the coven. Because like, A, I long time um charmed, you know, fuck yes. Do what? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:37

Of course, I was raised on that shit.

SPEAKER_04 40:39

Yeah, literally, so was I. And I was like, I kind of really like dig this. I want a coven. Um, and then I was like, I I think I was on the beach talking to Logan going, oh, like, you know, it'd be kind of cool if we just sort of like hung out together. Yeah, and just like exchange secrets, just like information, kind of, you know, like a little little gang. And I'm like, you know, like Laura loves a little witchy vibe, I reckon. Like, I'm not calling it like a coven, but it'd be kind of nice. And that's when like the first well chat happened, and then we all just went, all right, cool. We're just gonna information gather, we're gonna come together, bring like information left, right, and center. Um, and it sort of like yeah, and it just like hid me for the first vote because Laura and Logan, you know, whenever like my name came up, they would sort of shoot it down. Yeah. And because now we were sort of like a four-person block, we we could actually direct things. Um and then then it worked. And then uh and then we realized that when you put four women that have opinions and really want those opinions to be heard, um Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:38

It's a bit challenging.

SPEAKER_04 41:39

Yeah, it's very challenging. Yeah, yeah, funny. Like, I don't know why we didn't see that coming. Um, but like we called it the protection spell, and it was for we call it the protection spell. The coven was the protection spell that we cast initially to get us to as far as we could go. And lo and behold, the coven got to merge.

SPEAKER_05 41:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

The coven got to merge.

SPEAKER_05 41:59

So where you then uh be cannibalized each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:03

Which was always gonna Which is always gonna happen, and I think it was like beautiful poetic justice. Like, um, and I this is how I explained it to Laura. I was like, well, Laura, you were the muse for the coven, and that's why, like, you know, I sort of put it out into the universe. Oh, that's beautiful. So it was only like a full circle moment for you to completely ruthlessly gash you and send you to the I'm sorry, I love you, Laura.

SPEAKER_05 42:22

But it was a great name, unlike some of the other alliances.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

Yeah, the Berry Alliance, which is like an atrocity to mankind. That was bad.

SPEAKER_05 42:30

No, then wasn't there like the bomb squad?

SPEAKER_04 42:32

The bomb squad also sucks. As I said, a bomb squad is not about detonating bombs, you actually diffuse bombs. So therefore, what are you doing as a bomb squad? Nothing.

SPEAKER_05 42:42

Yeah, no, no, those were flop tanna. Yeah, the coven lived on.

SPEAKER_04 42:47

Coven lived on. Graduates, well done, Miles. Excellent.

SPEAKER_05 42:50

Yeah, graduates was good, and then they kind of when when they what did they graduate to? The postgraduates.

SPEAKER_04 42:56

Yeah, they like booted my dumbass and then like called themselves the postgraduates.

SPEAKER_05 43:02

Um, should we talk about some of the cast from your time on the show? Some of the early outs from the brain stuff. So firstly, when did you find out that it was a Brains v. Braun situation?

SPEAKER_04 43:13

Well, quite early because I think some I think someone leaked it on like the program. Amazing.

SPEAKER_05 43:18

And then then they're So before you got out there.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

Yeah, yeah. We we knew before we were getting interviewed that it was Brains versus Braun. Because they um Oh really?

SPEAKER_05 43:25

Yeah, because they announced it that remember because last year I talked to Eileen and she said they subtly dropped some like would you say you were a rebellious person in the interviews? And she was like, Why the fuck are you asking me that? But they didn't drop it until they got out there, I think.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

Because no, I think they'd like leaked. So basically I remember vaguely remember the timeline where I sort of um, you know, fudged my application, got a call. Uh nice work. I I do try to. Is it your first time? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:55

Whoa. Yeah. That's a flex.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

Yeah. Reddit was very mad.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Oh, so you went on your like hey guys, I got on.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

Well, no, so no, I didn't say um it was afterwards in my like exit interviews where like, oh yeah, what was your audition tape? And I was like, I don't I don't know how to do it.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

On like uh ask me anything or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

Uh it was with um Shannon and I said I didn't I didn't actually have an audition tape. I um uploaded a corrupt file.

SPEAKER_05 44:16

I got tapped on the shoulder. No, um I uploaded a video that didn't great tip for on this thing. Just corrupt a file. Yeah. Just send a dick pic.

SPEAKER_04 44:29

Honestly. Honestly, though. Just like pixel. The channel temperatures would be like, sure. Yeah, like pixelate it or make it really artistic and be like, if you I'm rebellious. Look at it. Um sorry, I forgot the question.

SPEAKER_05 44:42

Oh, I think that was it. Something about so you knew it was brain to be born. Then you're on the brains trap. Yeah. Did you think that was correct for you?

SPEAKER_04 44:49

I mean, like the like you're not gonna put the like yeah, I was typecast. I was a hundred percent typecast because they went, oh yeah, looks is a doctor. Kind of sort of doesn't look like a doctor. Yeah. Okay. Um, right.

SPEAKER_05 45:01

It is also Australian television, yeah. And they do love being like, oh, all people of colour must be smart. Because they definitely didn't, but you play rugby as well, right?

SPEAKER_04 45:12

Yeah, well you yeah, I used to play rugby. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 45:14

Um, but yeah, I think your backup storyline.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

Yeah, I'm a I'm a washed up I'm a washed up has been rugby player. Um no, I was like, I'm lot I was long retired. Like these knees are not made for doing anything.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Yeah, you did a good job out there.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

Yeah, I tried, I tried, I tried.

SPEAKER_05 45:33

Um Brain's Tribe, some of the early outs were Indy. Yeah, the Prang Mantis.

SPEAKER_03 45:39

Oh the Prank Mantis can't.

SPEAKER_05 45:41

And Allie, the crazy AI lady. Um, any thoughts on these three?

SPEAKER_04 45:48

Okay, so um

Early Outs from Brains

SPEAKER_04 45:50

Indy, like I've gotten to know her like outside of the show. Oh, cool. I've gone to a comedy gig.

SPEAKER_05 45:54

I was rooting for her.

SPEAKER_04 45:55

Oh, dude, the woman is hilarious. She's so goddamn funny. But I think it just didn't like gel well amongst it, and then we we sort of kind of we sort of said, hey, you can come to the coven plus one.

SPEAKER_05 46:09

Like you you're not like you she could have been like the Aunt Lydia of the cover. If you just to bring it down, you because we're talking about Hammer's tower, right? You should finish it.

unknown 46:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 46:21

Can we talk about how flop Tana the ending was?

SPEAKER_04 46:24

Well, I mean, sure, like Nick got sorry, spoilers. Yeah, spoilers for Hammer. Yeah, everyone got blown up, but like you know. Yeah. But like I don't know. I'm yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:33

Yeah. I just was I was no, because we waited so long for this ending.

SPEAKER_04 46:37

I know, I want I wanted it to be, you know, when um I think the was it season one or season two where there's like a whole meeting going on and someone like runs in with a grenade, like that.

SPEAKER_05 46:47

We needed that, we needed a shocking moment. I did like that Aunt Lydia kind of came around. Yeah, yeah, that was cool.

SPEAKER_04 46:52

Angel Air, like that was cool. That was a good like season finale. Um, and this was okay, cool. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:59

But Indy, she was like threatening some dark magic out there.

SPEAKER_01 47:05

I I loved that. No, I it was great. I I didn't know that you did that, and I saw that the first time I saw that, I was like, oh my god, this is so good. I didn't know this happened. Holy I wish you did throw the black thing.

SPEAKER_05 47:17

Those two like white men like, oh shit. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 47:22

Wait, how do you how do I pronounce that? Corey, what uh what? Um like I think that's what happened. And then like Indy was never gonna be voted out first. It was like 100% going to be our miles, and then you know whoa, really? That was it, that was gonna be the vote. Like, we that's crazy, and then she sort of took a stab at Allie and I and like flipped it and tried to what told Kent, uh not Kent, sorry, um, Rich and Max, who didn't believe a word of it. Okay, um, and then we were kind of we kind of just went, okay, you know, like you you smite us down and we we you're gonna burn.

unknown 47:59

Whoa.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

Yeah, burn the witch. Um and yeah, and it was yeah, it it like it that tribal was dramatic. It went for hours. Really? Like it was a brutal tribal.

SPEAKER_05 48:11

And that was your first one, too.

SPEAKER_04 48:12

Yeah, it was it was our first one. We didn't really know what to do. Um, and then it went from sort of like articulate formulated formulated sentence to quite literally a witch trial. Like that's what happened.

SPEAKER_05 48:23

And praying manters.

SPEAKER_04 48:25

Praying manters.

SPEAKER_05 48:26

Did he was he alright?

SPEAKER_04 48:28

So Kent initially was someone that I kind of wanted to work with. A, yeah, he was a super fan. So he knew the game.

SPEAKER_05 48:34

Okay, right, right.

SPEAKER_04 48:35

Like checks out. Yeah, he knew the game. Um, and then he was also like, yeah, he's a businessman. So I kind of went, okay, cool. Like you're people facing, I'm people facing. Like we we know how how to organize things. You work in a like a leadership position, which means you know how to deal with like competing tasks, clashing personalities, survivor, yeah, right. And then then we got to the island, and then he was just like literally running around with the machete.

SPEAKER_05 49:02

He he burnt bright and hard. Yeah, and that's why I could tell he was a fan because he was so excited to be playing, and he was trying to self-produce, he was trying to make this rivalry between him and Miles, which was completely one-sided, right? Like, did my was Miles even like aware or bothered? No.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

Miles was just kind of like, Why are you being mean to me, bro?

SPEAKER_05 49:22

Yeah, totally, and it came off like that, but I think in Kent's mind, he was making a fabulous, yeah, like story arc, which like we love you for that, but um, yeah, it just didn't work out.

SPEAKER_04 49:32

Yeah, because and then I kind of wigged that it was what was happening because sometimes I'd be talking to Kent and he goes, Oh, actually, do you want to like stand on that rock? Because then we create levels, and and I went, Girl.

SPEAKER_05 49:44

I was like, You're talking that would have driven me crazy.

SPEAKER_03 49:51

Oh, yeah. I I was like, Oh, what are you doing? I was like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 49:55

Delivering the lines, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

No.

SPEAKER_05 49:57

What about Allie? She she is another one that the start and with the promos, I was like, she's cool. Yeah. As soon as she started, I was like, oh no.

SPEAKER_04 50:06

Allie was another one that got obliterated by the edit as well. Like they like also just I figured as much. Yeah. She's she's again, like, we're similar age as well. She's pretty cool. Like, she's again very self-sufficient, very sort of like headstrong, but she's also a very sort of black and white player.

SPEAKER_05 50:21

Right.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

Um, and uh unfortunately the game is a lot of like shades of grey. Yeah. Um, and like it's it's one of those beautiful moments where um it was this is this is hilarious. So um Indy recently did a podcast with Mark Warner. Oh yes, I love it. Um it's so good. Um and Indy and Indy said, like, uh, they'd ask her, like, what's the uh hardest thing about Survivor? And she went, it's actually um eating rice cooked by white people.

SPEAKER_05 50:52

That is fucking great.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

It was funny. Um, and then Al well Ali took on the role of cooking the rice, and I was like, Well, I I am not touching that. I don't I don't want to be anywhere near like any position of leadership. I will not stand next to the fire. I will not, I know I'll I'll be like a worker bee, sure. I'll wash the rice, I'll clean the pot, I'll help you stoke it. I ain't doing crap. Um and I was like, you are you can paint that target position to yourself. Um and that's kind of what happened, and then she like that she was the firewarden, that was her job. And then you could tell people were getting annoyed.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Just being like, oh, but I want to make the fire, I want to do this, etc. Um, and I think that was the sort of downfall of Allie. But she was like um, you know, she she made the rice for everyone, she provide she stoked the fire, like Kent and her like were firewarden.

SPEAKER_05 51:40

I would just be like, if you're gonna be that into it, go for it.

SPEAKER_04 51:44

Yeah, yeah, go for your life.

SPEAKER_05 51:45

Yeah, what about Rich? He was out there with you at the start and then got swapped.

SPEAKER_04 51:51

G got well, we swapped in. You kicked him out, but he was like, Yeah, we we well, I mean, as the edit would show, we we did not really meet um on we did not break bread, we did not see eye to eye. But that's just because he's he's got a very like strong like personality. He's a TV producer, so he's like, you know, big, large, that kind of vibe. Um, and I just don't think we sort of met halfway when it came to things. Um, and my from my point of view, I thought he was like a big figurehead in how all of these people met in the middle. Like Kaelin had a super close relationship with him, Max had a close relationship with him. Um, so did Lauren Logan. And I went, okay, cool. This is a center point. I really don't want this center point because I want these people working with me. So I went, okay, cool, this is a really good target for me. And then when he started sort of like grading on personality and started, you know, annoying people, I went, Alright, cool, this is great. I'm just gonna go full on the attack here and try and get him out. Um yeah, I did like this is what I mean about slander spreading. So the first vote, we I we lost that challenge pretty like not the first challenge, sorry, this uh when our first tribal the um the immunity challenge, I'm pretty sure we just like did weren't really lucky with the throwing, but I did spread slander that oh, what do you reckon? Do you reckon Rich is trying to throw that challenge to get Miles?

SPEAKER_05 53:18

There was plenty of throwing this season, but was that not?

SPEAKER_04 53:22

I don't I don't know I don't think that was a I don't think that was a throw, but but if you sort of like just plant that seed that to AJ our throwing I was just oh Queen, we yeah, I was like, well let's just plant that seed and see if it takes. And it almost took until Indy ruined it.

SPEAKER_05 53:36

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Girl bless.

SPEAKER_05 53:40

I know then on day 15

Tribe Swap

SPEAKER_05 53:42

you switched trabs. Yeah. Um we happy about that?

SPEAKER_04 53:46

Well, no, because this was um the like we'd you know formed a new alliance. We finally like you know, threw off this big move where um we sent Allie home, um, and now we've got like an alliance essentially that and then we got away unscathed and no one knew about it, and then we're like, great, great, this is it, this is the steamroll. And then the next day we get switched, and I'm going, oh my god. Now I'm not only stuck on a beach with Rich, great, um, great.

SPEAKER_05 54:15

It's like they purposely did that.

SPEAKER_04 54:16

They're like, back you go, yeah, and then I'm going, like, and I I don't know, I'm like not an introvert, I'm sort of like an in the middle, yeah, but like I was like, I'm gonna have to start this again, and I have to like smile more and like you did good, and then so in your new tribe you had Paulie, noons, Logan, um Kristen, Kristen and Esler.

SPEAKER_05 54:41

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. How are you with Paulie and Noonz? Were they like obviously? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_04 54:48

You kind of walked in there and went, okay, dynamic duos are um Paulie and Noonan.

SPEAKER_05 54:53

Fag and hag. That's what I was watching. That's that's why I was like cheering for them.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

Oh yeah, no. I yeah, totally. I did I yeah, initially I didn't see it, but now I do. Um reference. Um and then Ursula and Kristen. I knew they were close because when we were um Ursula and I were having a little like cuddle fest, um she just said, Oh, these are the people that I'm close with. Yes. So kind of I kind of went, all right, cool, beeline, you two. Um and as soon as we found out there was like beef, I went, okay. Alright, great. Great. Um, but yeah, I didn't know what the vibes were gonna be like.

SPEAKER_05 55:30

Um it was I think you pivoted really well. Because I don't know, like I don't have a poker voice. I don't think I'd be able to pretend to like people that I don't like. I'd give it a go, but I don't think I would get away with it. I think you you're pretty good at that. Oh, like I'd I'd better. But then every now and then I'd catch your face being like I I struggle really hard.

SPEAKER_04 55:52

I think it's because we went through the COVID era in the hospital where we wore masks.

SPEAKER_05 55:56

So you could just get away with it. Oh my god, I love that.

SPEAKER_04 55:59

So we went for like this is 2020, 2021, and a lot of 2022, that's three years where I could make every expression on like you know, and you'd you'd get it where a pa, you know, a p some a patient would say something and you're going, oh Lord, do not do that. Um so my f I'll give you an example for um this is when I was in like regional, um, and this guy essentially nearly cut off his own finger with um and then he told me that oh, you know, you guys use the antiseptic, so I've just been dipping it in petrol, and I went Sir Sir and vodka.

SPEAKER_05 56:39

Yeah, quite literally.

SPEAKER_04 56:41

And then you and you they would only see the top of your face, not the bottom of your face going.

SPEAKER_05 56:45

So you just like so I so that's why you're so good at the the eyes remaining um no both the face going on. Like Tyra Banks taught me well you were you were smizing like a storm out there.

SPEAKER_04 56:59

Smising the mouth though, like oh my god. If I play again, I'm gonna inject so much Botox into my face so that this doesn't move.

SPEAKER_05 57:07

Get those all-stars lips ready. Yeah, and so would you play again?

SPEAKER_04 57:11

It's like this is the thing. Like, I I don't think I have a choice in if I would play or not. It's whether my boss would ever give me another nine weeks off, or like, you know, like maybe like a shortened version, like Australia vs. the world, where it's like two weeks or three weeks, maybe she'll give me a sort of thing.

SPEAKER_05 57:27

I hope they do that again. Yeah. Already we haven't even seen it. I'm already like, do it again. Yeah. Because I like I like a short season. And because we have the long one as well.

SPEAKER_02 57:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:36

I don't think people are as mad about it being short. Because it's like it's it's an extra little treat.

SPEAKER_04 57:42

Because like asking for this amount of leave off was crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:46

Um exactly. I'm surprised you didn't lose your job.

SPEAKER_04 57:48

No, I thought I was gonna come back and have no job. Like so many people when I came back. You would they like my one of my um colleagues was just like I didn't really want to ask you what happened because I on genuinely thought you got fired.

SPEAKER_05 58:02

Like mental health break.

SPEAKER_00 58:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

Just going through it. Um and then not many people at work also knew actually, no, a large percentage knew I'd um, you know, pissed off to do a reality TV show. Um so they thought it was hilarious when I came back and like I went, Did you actually? I'm like, yeah, I did, I did, uh Yeah. So I I feel like going uh back with that request again when the first request was like, Yep, just she she literally said just get it out of your system. And I okay. So you know that system, I would like to it's apparently not out.

SPEAKER_05 58:35

So unfortunately you got voted out on day 37. That I didn't we talked about Drevula Final three. Was

The Final 3

SPEAKER_05 58:43

this the final three you expected? It was obviously AJ, Kalen, and Miles. No, were you like what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 58:50

Like, I mean, it it's it was bizarre to have such a like season dominated by such like incredible female characters and to get the final three that we did.

SPEAKER_05 59:04

I felt the same way.

SPEAKER_04 59:05

The last episode was like, oh Which which is kind of on us in a way, because we're going, we're just sitting there in that jury, um, which was the the girls and the gays plus AJ.

SPEAKER_05 59:15

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

Um I'm going ladies, ladies, how did well how did we how did how did we get here?

SPEAKER_05 59:23

Um and then were you always just gonna vote for Miles to win?

SPEAKER_04 59:28

Uh in that final term.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:31

So I came in with sort of a I think I was leaning maybe 70, yeah, 70 towards um Miles, and Kaylin was very pitch dependent. I wanted him to say a very specific pitch.

SPEAKER_05 59:43

I think he did better than I was expecting.

SPEAKER_04 59:45

Because they edited it a lot. Ah, did they? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:48

So it was it actually quite fumbly.

SPEAKER_04 59:49

It was a dustbin fire. Oh it was it was a dust.

SPEAKER_05 59:52

Of course, I don't want us to see that, and then we all go, uh Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:55

It it had really good bits, it had really atrocious bits, and so did Miles's. Like Miles first of all, it was like a sermon, both their um jury pitches. Um, but it just didn't have the information we wanted, and like it like Miles played, yeah, but Kalen had to pretty much be, you know, I did this, I did this, I did this, but then it would just like the jury would just go, no, no, no, you actually didn't cutie. Arguably Kalen did have a very good game. Yeah. Um, and if he just pitched it correctly, I think people that would have been more towards Miles would go, oh hey, wait a minute. I kind of like what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:33

It is pretty hard in the 11th hour to be like, my strategy was to act like I didn't care the whole time. That's a pretty tough one.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:40

No, but that was his thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:41

Do you do we buy it? I don't know. I don't know. We got one vote, didn't he, from Christopher. Which we always which she just always gonna do that. 100%. Which is a homophobe. Allegedly. Nothing in my fantasy, like her thief with Polly is like, because she's like a Bible bachelor. And then she was like, I'm not giving a million dollars to a bisexual, they're not even real.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:14

What's that? Um in white lettuce. It's like give it to me!

SPEAKER_05 1:01:17

Yeah, she was fooled. She went to a place of Jennifer Coolidge on that boat, and she said, No, I'm voting for a rugged Matt Mat or she's only human. Maybe she just thought Caitlin was hot.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

Kalen is hot. Kalen's incredibly hot. Oh, okay, there's this also Kaelin got island hot. So much more island hot. Wild. Right?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:38

But he m he was still because he's a he's a thick boy. He's a thick boy. He stayed thick. Like just but like chiseled.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:44

More chiseled.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:45

I just could uh every whip, I was like, what? And then someone gave him their speedos, and I was like, Thank god, Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:53

No, uh Max got voted out and left his speedos, and then um looked better on Kylan. Kellen Kalen commandeered uh the Speedos.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:02

Yeah, he was filling them out more than Max was Max, Max, come on. Max was good fun too. I feel like he got a bit of a crash and burn edit. Yeah, Max. You could tell at the start of the season there are a few characters that they like really pushed hard. You know, it's because they're going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:18

Um, and like and that's the other thing. Um, Maxi like got like absolutely bashed by the edit as well. And then like people thought it was a good one.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:25

Oh, then people went, I know people went for him. That wasn't nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:28

That wasn't nice. And we're just going, guys, it's literally just a nickname they made. Like, y'all need to.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:34

That Miles was fully on board with.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:36

And this was when Miles actively had merch.

unknown 1:02:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:40

And I'm like, if he I'm I mean, if he was racially vilified on the show, I don't think he would put it on a t-shirt and sell it for $20. No.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:47

Who are you still mates with?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:49

Um, so Laura and I are pretty much inseparable at this point. We live about Laura. Yeah, we live.

unknown 1:02:55

Hi.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:56

We live about 10 minutes from each other. Um, I got invited to Greek Easter. Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:01

Hang on, Laura's Greek. Yeah. That was not on the show. No, no, she's Greek. She didn't smash a single plate out there that you're aware of. Like they cut it. There was like a whole Zorb at the dance, like the Greek scene.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, while on Drew Villa. I love that. It makes me like her even more. Yeah, yeah. She she's an absolute goddess. Yeah, she's the Aphrodite of I know. Um, yeah, love, love Laura. Um, we yeah, we spent far too much time together. Um, also all the Melbourne girlies.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:32

Yeah, the Melbourne girlies, so is that Logan?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

Logan, yeah. Logan's great as well. Um, absolutely. Um, and then Kate. Yeah. Um Kate's like ridiculously busy because the girl like drives, I don't know, six hours one way, two ways, you know, to go to a gig and come back. Wow. The woman doesn't sleep.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:50

She's booked and blessed.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:51

She literally booked and blessed. And she is quite literally blessed. Have you seen her?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:55

She's stunning. Stunning. Yeah, absolutely stunning. Big babe.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:58

Um we barely talked about DJ Kate and her incredible outfit. Oh, best dressed, best season.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:05

Like, I I oh my god, I applaud her because my I I could not. I could not do what she did.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:11

And the slut drop on the way out. Yeah. Like icon behavior.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:14

Icon behavior. The like um this so there's three populations of Survivor Plant fans. We the gays dominate Twitter.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:21

Yes, there's Survivor Gay Twitter.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:22

Yeah, Survivor Gay Twitter, which you know, who love the slut drop. Face uh Facebook, oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:27

Who's on there?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

Oh, I would weird aunties and uncles. Yeah. Did not like the slut drop. They were like, oh yeah, did not like the slut drop.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:38

And what's the third one?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:39

Third one is like sort of Instagram, which is variable. Yeah, because you get everyone, you get like the you know, the girls, the gays, everyone, um, the vase, um, and then a few of like your you know, your uncle, who's like just just not it. Um, but yeah, mixed reactions to the slut drop.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:56

Wow. I know I for one loved it.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:59

I know Kate was so Kate was miserable that she lost her ass on Survivor.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:05

It was looking good to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:06

Well, because it started off looking good, and like the first channel. Quite literally, like her ass was the focal point of episode one style because she was like standing up up top and they were like, oh my god, we're trying to get the key off. And it was just like a direct pan onto Kate's ass. Like sleigh. Um but yeah, Kate, um, she has a gig this Friday. Oh, perfect. If any everyone wants anyone wants to go to it, check it out. Yeah, uh Mango. I'm not the person twice. I don't know, it's in the city. But yeah, she's playing in the C B Dun. But yeah, Melbourne Gilly. Noonan, also Melbourne Girly. Yeah, the Melbourne Girl Gang is like staying strong. Um Morgs has had two beautiful babies. I saw twins. Twins. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, gorgeous girls. Um, so I've keep up with them regularly. And then I've of course Mama Z, like Illy, Illy Zara. Yeah, cute. Um, so I keep up with her a lot. Um, she has to parent me quite a bit as well sometimes.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:05

So oh, I loved Zara on the show so much. Like just yeah, a great character that we needed.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:12

Oh, 100%. Yeah. And like it wasn't I think they just needed to show more of just Sarah, like absolutely obliterating people because it's great. Zara in a final two would be so good.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:24

Yeah, there's people that you want to see do the pitch that you're gonna get to, because you know that'd be really good.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:29

Yeah, because she'd just lawyer that shit up and that would be incredible. Um, and then Miles and I send each other memes regularly. Cute. We both also have a matching tattoo. We tried to convince the graduates to get matching tattoos, and so um that's showing me to me. That's right there. Oh, that's okay. Um, but only Miles and I have come on, rest of the graduates.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:50

Tramp stamp it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Yeah, I know. I'm trying to so I want Zara to get a matching tattoo, but then she refuses to get it. So I've told Mar uh Zara, no, sorry, oh combined their names. I've told Miles that he has to get it as proxy.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:02

Amazing.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:03

Yeah. Um Kaelin is has finished skiing across Norway.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:09

Just now. That was so good and so correct that he was just like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm not watching the show because I'm out of signal. Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:22

Oh, do you want to do an interview? No, sorry, no signal. I can't hear you. Oh, sorry, look a reindeer.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:27

I'd have been following his journey. Yeah. And he's been getting more like he's now he's like snow rugged hot.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:32

He's snow rugged hot, he's very wind chat though.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:35

Yeah, yeah. It's a bit like bear grillsy. Very bear grillsy.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:38

Um he like um we like we we don't like talk regularly because it's like, I don't know, stupid o'clock in Norway somewhere, but we've we've sent each other like voice clips every now and then, and it's like, oh my god, it's 5 a.m.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:50

and I've He's like I've just wrestled a bear.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:52

No, literally quite that. It's like oh I don't know, there's a reindeer. I'm like I'm hiding in an igloo. I'm like, I don't know, Caitlin. What are you I don't know what you're doing at this point. Um but yeah. Yeah, those are the ones I keep up with the reg on the reg. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:07

Well, Karen, yeah. We did it. We relived we relived the season. Feels like a million years ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:13

Oh my god, it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:14

But also last week.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:17

I know. I'm I'm like, yeah, I'm survived, like out.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:21

Yeah. I need a little break. I know. But then I think by the time OzV World comes back on, we'll be excited.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:27

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:30

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

Oh my god, I can't wait. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:35

See you then.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:36

Well, thank you so much. Bye-bye.