Australian Survivor - Brains Vs Brawn II Week 1 (w/ Max Arion)

Sam and Max are HORNY for Week 1 of Australian Survivor Brains Vs Brawn II and have a LOT to say about it. The gals chat all things “Praying Mantis”, Kaelans dump truck, Paulie’s loaded fries idol, The Coven, and Rich’s MAFS audition tape. This cast is truly unhinged already and we love it. Also discussed on this episode is The White Lotus and Kylie’s tour kick off.

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Transcript

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This podcast was produced on the land of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation.

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Welcome to Australia.

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Someone who is such a connoisseur of reality television. The content is hideous.

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So sorry about this. Oh my god.

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Hello. Hello. Max is back. Everyone. Hi, hi, hi. From popular demand. From my flooded DMs.

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Flooding DMs. I'm good. I'm good. I went to

Tag Teaming Kylie

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Kylie last night, so I'm and you look fresh as a daisy.

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You know.

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And I'm going tonight, so we're tag teaming Kylie.

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Tag teaming Kylie. I think most of Melbourne is tag teaming her over the weekend. It's a whole Kylie gang gang.

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We weren't gonna do it, and then like, you know, God bless Tixel. We're like, fuck it, let's go. Yeah. Night before, book a little cheeky tick.

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It's great, it's great.

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Um did she look good? Because I've heard some gays are saying that she looks cheap.

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So I'm gonna put that there. I disagree. I am uh I will defend our Kylie um with my last breath. Also, she's like, how old is she?

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Exactly. She's not 50. 50 somehow. I don't know.

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Like what is ageless. She's fucking Kylie. What are you expecting like her to do? Like she's not, I don't know. I I've seen her a few times. The show was great. Um it like I don't know. I think also people's expectation of spectacle goes up and up and up, and I think that's unrealistic for what good entertainment is, because she had great crowd rapport, she sung oh she's a great performer. She has so many hits as well. So I yeah, I'm a I'm a Kylie fan, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Well, I yeah, back in the day, I never was. I think like growing up in Australia gay, you always try and be like, oh Kylie, what she's whatever, because you don't want to be like that stereotypical gay. Of course you like Kylie.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

You don't want to be bullied in the playground for your Kylie posters.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Exactly. And then I went and saw her live, and that was when I was like, okay, I get it now. She's actually she has earned her title.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

So in inverse of that, for me, so I I think Fever came out when I was like 16, and it was very formative for me as well, because I was like, you know, feeling gay and feeling that on the inside. And then and then this album came out where like you know, you were kind of shamed a bit for liking it, and I was like, no, if if this is wrong, I don't want to be right, and I'm like Kylie that album really made me be like, Yeah, being gay is fun.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

That was the whole thing, like in high school, wasn't it? Like, ah, what kind of music do you like?

SPEAKER_01 2:39

And you have to like pretend I was such like all my friends were like into like like emo stuff and like metal and like um the phases were phasing, and and I would like you know, listen to their corn mixtape and be like, Yeah, that's fine, whatever, and then put on Kylie again.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

Yeah, I was like an evanescence girly. Oh I can tell you. And then yeah, but then oh, but I was all over the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like J pop. Oh, nice, yeah, yeah. And then like, oh god, what else? I don't know, but I had two answers, like depending on who I was talking to. Do you want to be interesting or do you want to be cool? Yeah, yeah, or do you yeah, or like honest?

SPEAKER_01 3:13

But I like nowadays it's like yeah, you know, yeah, and it's also been like just generally a great like year, 20 two years for pop music as well. Like there's some new people in the mix, it's mixing it up, so yeah, I mix it up.

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Pop music no longer has the stigma it once had.

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Yeah, or if it does, I don't care about this.

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Maybe we maybe it does and we just don't care. Who knows? Oh my

The White Lotus Season 3

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god. Um, and White Lotus kicked off this week.

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Yes, yes, uh, I am thrilled. HBO Love and Inces storyline. Clearly, they're chewing it up straight away, straight away. I was like, I'm here for it. I was like, this is like it's it's not even subversive. It's not even like it's like it's straight up porn, and I am here for it.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Thank you, Mike White. I love going online and seeing the polarized response to this, which is heaven. It's either people are really into it, yeah, or that's mostly gay men, yeah, yeah, or they're disgusted by it and they are throwing holy water at their screen. So I'm loving that it's already dividing the crowd.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

And I think there's other div like divisive elements in there that are overshadowed by the incest, like Parker Posey's accent, which goes all around America.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Parker Posey is having her Jennifer Coolidge moment, and I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

But you're right, the accents were I loved it. It was so over the top. It was like foghorn leghorn. Yeah, with like steel magnolias.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

She's lived a thousand lives. That character's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Yeah, absolutely. And my hot pick that I saw in a tweet so I'm stealing someone else's thing, is that the gunshots at the start.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Monkeys. I see, not I'm not making this up. I literally said that during the show. Yeah, and then of course I've gone online and everyone else has to be asked. Because I think it's it's not a hot take.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

But I think because I also think like maybe it won't be, but it's that very he loves to do unexpected things leading into that moment, and I think that that would fit the bill, and that's why we're all tuned in to it. And there's so many shots of the monkeys being like, it's monkey monkey monkey.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

They even like highlighted the monkeys that first scene, it was like, Oh, reminds me of Hawaii, but with monkeys, and it's like okay. Yeah, oh.

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And the monkey was above her, and she was worried about snakes. Like, yeah, that's a thing. It's gonna be fun. Well, the new intro, yeah.

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You missing the I'm not missing the blah blah at all. Uh some people are losing their mind over it. I'm like, guys, I actually think it's better. Yeah, that's my view on that.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

But I also also it's like it's distinctly trying to show you that they're discreet story. Yes, there's connectivity in characters, but they're discrete like instances.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Worlds, yeah. The high the because I love Thailand so much. It's you're an Australian. It's the gayest place on earth, it's the best place to be like it's like flawless. I love Thailand. So I'm really happy it's there. I'm obviously living from Lisa.

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I've that is a casting blip to me from an American point of view.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Is it an Aussie backpack? Well, not backpacker, but like Aussie tourists. Aussie tourists, shit. Well, because they're all saying it somewhere better. They're not wasting their money at some rich hotel. They go to go to villa. Yeah, totally. Yeah, we don't fuck with like four seasons. Like Americans are so obsessed with branded hotels. They're like, I'm a I'm a four seasons gay or whatever. It's like, okay. Yeah, yeah, cool. So you only go to places where like that is like how sad for it.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

And it's like it's facing in in wood. That like they're not gonna go out and do as many things and that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

I'd love there to be like a point storyline. Like someone rocks up and they're like, I'm staying, I've re I've redeemed the cheapish, yeah, yeah. She's like, I did a point scan. I won a I won a lot lottery. Yes, like bonvoy points or whatever. Yeah, it's good. I think the as an intro episode, it was darker than the last two. The last two were a little bit silly and camp at the start. This one is going straight in with dark shit is coming.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

And the the tensions are there from the onset too. Whereas like particularly last season as well, like it was building with relationship stuff and like you know, sex and tension and attraction. Whereas this time attention too. Bringing it full circle back to Kylie, but like all of the the wheels for things falling apart are already in motion, much more at the end of this episode.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Yeah, it's like all gonna break down momentarily with a monkey killing everyone. It better be that, or yeah, uh poor Mike White if that is the case, and we all figured it out straight away. But also I mean, it's hard to write unexpected shit these days, right? Yeah, exactly. And people are so obsessed with it now that they are looking for Easter eggs and things, so it's like calm down, everyone. Just enjoy it. It's not a true crime podcast, okay?

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Everyone wants to be a true crime podcaster, even when they consume it. They do or the opposite, they want to be on their phones so that every time someone walks into a scene, they restate the exposition every time they come in.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

And they want to be people want to be clever, like I picked up this and no one else did. It's like, alright. You watched a show, you watched a show and made a guest. You won't get any witchy uh commentary on this podcast, you'll just get me being a cunt. Alright. And speaking of, let's get

Australian Survivor Brains Vs Brawn II Week 1 Recap

SPEAKER_00 8:28

into this week's episodes of Australian Survivor. Australian Survivor. She's back, she's Brains v. Brawn 2, yeah. Much like Tension 2.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

So I have thoughts on Brains versus Brawn. Speak on it. So I feel like most iterations of Australian Survivor end up being some form of Brains V brawn, and they just rebrain. It should just be nerds v chance. It it does trigger my like high school nerd being bullied experiences a lot. Because Australian Survivor also brings out a lot of mateship and stuff early on.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

And you I'm always like, ugh, this is but yeah, there's mate, there's Aussie Matechip every season.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Yeah, but I am I was so pleasantly surprised with the these first three apps. These people are fucking insane. Like some of them what? I was like, I did they audition for a different reality TV show and end up here? Yeah, MAPS Big Brother. I was like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Thank you, 10, casting department, chef's kiss. You've managed to find like 24 people that all want to be the next King George, which is perfect.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Yeah. I mean everyone, everyone is scrounging for a soundbite. Everyone is like it's the screen time wars, honey. And everyone, like, I don't know, it they were giving really it was everyone was giving their A game, which also actually did mean that there were some people that for the first three episodes I didn't see. And Australian Survivor always has that problem of the blonde girl because there's like six one, yeah, six of them, and you're like, uh, Marlene, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

It's the traitors at this point. Like, honestly, they are the gameplay is gone, which look, listeners to this pod will know that I can take or leave the gameplay. I'm not a gamer to quote Carolyn, I'm not a gamer. I'm here for the drama. Give me crazy people. So Drummer and Speedos. Yeah, drama and fucking speedos. Which okay, so for episode one, I was like, there is a severe lack of man candy this season. However, episode two, I was like, oh, there's hot dads. It's the season of hot dads.

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Yeah, dad's dads are making dads on the beach.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

It's dad's dad.

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Dad's on tour beach.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Uh P D. Yeah. Woof, mate. Yeah. He looks like a like retired rugby player, slight dad bod, but still got it down there. Is he fucking hell?

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Doesn't he coach soccer and used to play soccer? I don't know. We haven't met him. They're always probably intros.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

But I've seen him in those speedos. Delicious. I mean, who are and then there's like Jesse, the like skater dad. Yeah. Fine. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. They're all like, they're like none of them on their own are like stunners, but collectively it's like a covered of hot days. And then there's the actual cover.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Which I was living for. Whichy me with my black nails. Yeah. Um, was like was I her intro was just missing that song from the start of Charm. There was like a blue filter, she was flipping the tarot, there was a moon, like they they CG'd the moon in. It was her package. Her clip package was great. I and I like I'm a bit woo-woo, but I also find stuff like that hilarious in reality TV. Yeah. Um, because then it becomes the core of their personality. And obviously, her being a witch is a big part of the storyline that the producers are like, yes, yes, yes. Um, but I think uh she's shown a bit of gameplay and savviness already. Um except wanting to save Rich, who like Can we just jump straight to it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Rich? What the fuck, mate? So can you just talk about misogyny red breath?

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Misogyny red flags, his first talking head was like, Oh, my fiance says I'm the king of gaslighting, blah blah blah blah. And he was like saying it like I'm good at talking, like talking stories and being charismatic. I was like, So being good at gaslighting isn't a quality trick.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Also, brains?

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Yeah, question roll.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

I'm sure you've like figured out a way to got lots of charisma, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

But but it's the kind of charisma where he's like really big and gregarious, so people respond to, yeah, but then he puts a lot of people offside because the ladies do not like it.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

The ladies do not like him, and he's like dripping with like me too energy. Like he's a film director.

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And but it's on like even so obviously they can pick and choose what they want, but there was times where like he was talking about like particularly in the tribal council and stuff like that.

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And they were like, um, I actually think that Logan was speaking.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, I was like, so if if you're doing that in like a public setting with like JLP direct like an authority figure that's asked someone else a question and you're just stepping in, what are you doing back at camp when like people are just having discussion? Are you just talking over them, ignoring them, bitching about building a better shelter?

SPEAKER_00 13:31

JLB is yet to enter the chat, in my opinion. Like he's he made like a few fun like polls. There's the pole the pole games and snake heavy snakes. The heavy snakes, when I saw those props, I was like, oh fuck off. Heavy snakes, dragging the heavy snake through the fingers.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

They did a coconut slingsot and he didn't say busting nut. Like there was no busting nut after nut after nut, and you're like, yes. You could put them all together and uh have a little pawn, like a pawn soundtrack of the stuff.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Busting after nut is iconography. Just the best. But yeah, the pole, I did appreciate um sliding their pole into the slot. I was like, thanks, mate. He's arrived. But yeah, still a little sleepy warm-up for JLP. Maybe he doesn't want to overshadow all the cast of characters.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

I did a deep dive in preparation for this podcast. In that no, no, no. Um uh because I'm a legitimate journalist and I know how to use Google. He hasn't worn speedoes. I think it's a travesty.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

JLP's never worn speedos? No. We need to have that. I know that out. Are you listening? Yeah. Oh my god, I do need to circle back to something. So on the previous episode with Shane Nicholas, we went over the cast. Yeah. And at the start of the episode, I um mentioned that uh our good friend Robert Irwin of uh I'm a Celebrity fan needs to be involved in a note loads for a fused orgy, to which I stand by. And uh of course a lot of thirsty gays responded to this part. Um I had my DMs were flooded, and one gay who is identity our shall keep a secret wrote in going, Hey, I once was at an airport in Perth and Robert Owen took a piss next to me. And so I I wrote back, Well, go on then. Yeah, give us the jets.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

Don't lead it, don't lead a horse to water, let us drink.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

And the deets were um allegedly quite thick and cut and and big on the flop. So thank you to that lovely listener for writing in um for the rather Irwin Dictory.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

The hard-hitting journalism that we're here for. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

And this is what my listeners come in here for.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

It's uh it's it's no load refused orchy content.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

With that out of the way, should we get into night one? Yeah. The intro was good. They oh my god, the bus. So it was like nerds on the bus, and like jocks have to run beside the bus.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

I did not like the bus. I was like, this is a bad choice, and now it's in slow-mo at the start of every episode, and I'm like, you it looks down.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Like, I love the intro, but it is long. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

But they cut it down, don't they?

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Later on in the season. They just show like who's left. I think so.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

I think so. The Australian casts are always so huge. Um, always so big that like it feels like an entity unto itself in the Survivor landscape because the gameplay is different and the personality mix is a lot different and they form coalitions. Yes. Whereas um in the American wind, the intro is faster. Everything everything's faster.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Like it's what is it, like 26 days now? Are you still in the US or no? I I people are dropping.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

I I phase in and phase out. I'm I will definitely come back strong um for 50. For yeah, which it isn't that gonna be later this year the international Australian.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Oh, we're definitely excited for that. That's they stole that?

SPEAKER_01 17:16

They stole the title from Drag Race.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

They totally did, but I think Drag Race stole it from some other UK show that's been doing that forever. It's the versus the world is a is a very UK reality format thing. Yes. That they've been doing forever. So I don't know. I don't think I don't think RuPaul came up with that. Oh, damn it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

I'm me defending RuPaul.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Because even like Lego Masters did it, was it they did Australia vs. the world. Not that I watched that show, but I rem just remember seeing it and I was like, oh. You're aware of the reality landscape. I'm aware that Lego Masters exists as a show. And to that I say, okay. Uh but we meet Morgan first, Hottie, Olympian.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Olympia legs for days. Legs. I I was straight away, I was like, she's gonna get a campaign after this. She's gonna like she's gonna be on some Australian brands. She was gorge. Um, although she did say as an Olympian, which I'm Olympian. That was like, you get one of those, you get one of those. Like, I just that phrase just generally is gives me the ick. She should just say as a hot bitch. But as she as her little talking head continued, I was like, oh no, I'm I'm for you 100%. Oh, I'm here for her. You threw me far offside with as an Olympian.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

We got lots of her in the lead up to the season, and then she's not really uh like a prominent character this week, but I feel like it's coming.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

I think yeah, it's that thing of I had to play, I don't know, analytical reality TV person. It's when they get talking heads that aren't contributing to the episode, you're like, oh, so we're learning about you now because something significant is gonna happen. Um because I felt um Noonan, like I really liked Noonan straight away. Although when Noonan was like, I'm gonna be the most famous Nunan. Noonan. Who is your family? Noonan Ryder. I googled, I Googled serious journalists. I read on the survival wiki. So in um her hometown home community, her family's really well known, particularly her brothers. So she's the only girl of like three older brothers.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

Are they sports people?

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Uh, one's a jockey, one's Okay, not what I was expecting to do. One's uh I I can't a horse. I think her dad's a famous horse trainer. Anyway, so really famous in the local community. So I think she's grown up with that thing being like, oh, you're the Noonan girl, or they or they oh maybe they have a girl. Like I I I was like, there's a chip on the shoulder here that isn't fully stepped out because I was expecting her family to be like really famous, yeah, like sports people. They are treating it like a fucking Hemsworth is on the show, like the Hemsworth sister, and I'm like, but she was honey, she was great, she was um Sas she gave great side eye back at camp, severalist of the season. I was like, um, like every now and then someone would say something and she'd be in the foreground and she'd just like look at the camera like delicious, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Then we meet Zen. Oh my god. Holy like perfection. This is great casting. Uh he tells us that he uh is a very white uh hip-hop artist, and he has just learnt the words acumen and sublime.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

So he was saying that he has the smarts that he could have been on the brain tribe, and then he's bliss, bless, then his receipts for that was that he learns two word new words a day.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Which you should be doing if you should be doing rap lyrics.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yeah, totally, totally.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Have you heard any of the stuff? No, I haven't I haven't deep dived yet.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

I I heard what he did on the beach. What did he do on the beach?

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Yeah, he did a little rap on the beach, and and they were all like The Speedos, though. Delician. Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

He was eating his chicken and broccoli and he's missing his he's missing his chicken and broccoli and scales on the beach. He was complaining about food a lot.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Yeah. But he's like, these muscles aren't um actually, he's got a really high-pitched voice, which I love. Yeah. He's like, these muscles aren't painted on. They're ripped, they're for real. They're heavy lifted. Like he's like trying to say he's like, they're not glamour muscles. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

He's like, and one thing that was really interesting for me is that the slow intro of the Barrawn tribe when they were like leaping in the river and jumps in a waterfall. Yeah, he j and he jumped in the waterfall, and someone I think someone else did as well. I was like, what is this like B roll Lululemons? Like it was I was like, instead of like dumping them on a boat and pushing them off, like they often do in American Survivor and get get them to swim to shore, they took the Through the rainforest for a while for a day before shooting.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Yeah. I like those little shots. You just liked him in his wet shirt. I did. Um then we meet Miles, who is my favourite character on this season so far. I'm just gonna say that. Cookie. He is a pole dancing, DD playing spreadsheet freak. He's a freak or freak in the sheets, as he said. I'm obsessed with Miles. A forecasting. Um I wanna hang.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Yeah, I think um Miles brought a really good energy that was disturbing everyone's under the radar. Because I think that's the thing about some of these personalities this season, is that it's meant that under the radar people's feathers have been getting ru ruffled and they've had to speak out about people talking about gameplay or like being duplicitous. And Miles is definitely bringing that. And I think he just like he clearly just loves the game, so he wants to talk about the game. But he was also talking about things that were like, so when we get to merge, it's like baby, it's day one on the beach, don't talk about merge yet.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Like he is okay. So they tried to like cobble together a little package of him like talking strat too much, which I was like, yeah, sure. But like only Kent. Oh we'll get to you. Don't you worry, mate. We're getting we're coming your way.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

My one text to you this week about the episodes was like the hat, I have thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Yes, yes, but only Kent is like the real one leading this charge against Miles. Everyone else is like, sure, like he's a bit annoyed. But not like people aren't that annoyed.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

I think I think that's also showing the difference between what women find annoying, which is misogyny, and what men find annoying, which is like feminine men, feminine men, yeah, or like you know, non-macho. Yeah, it was funny watching them play be like all macho on the beach throwing the coconut like they were playing. Busting nut after nut. Busting none after nut. Um they like the the women in the camp were working around the four of them just crazy. I was like, what is like that scene was amazing. You like it was giving shitty sharehouse vibes.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

Yes. There was a few questionable moves by men this week, like later on when Kent just like takes a little nap instead of strategizing. I was like, what the fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 24:19

That's it's also like I little nap? It was it was really easy for someone to point out that it was disrespectful and get him voted out. Like like which like you know what I mean? Like it would have been you know, sometimes it just it in Survivor you just need like one action for someone to be bitchy and clever enough to get a hook in. That I was like, that is like prime meat.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

But these people, these cast are all there to make big moves from day one, which is great, but also it means that like the pre-tribal runaround is wild. It all three episodes.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

All three episodes didn't make sense for early game. And I would also like I would also argue just like the term blind side, big moves is thrown around when Suze Big Move like these terms people need a dictionary. Survivor producers give them a dictionary and wrap them over the knuckles if they're saying big moves or blind side when it is not those things.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

True. Um how did you feel about Max the um teacher?

SPEAKER_01 25:29

Straight away, uh he is giving like naughty puppy that you adopt for the pound vibe. Like he's just really energetic. They almost gave him a clowny intro when the wave hit him. It was just missing like but it almost needed the clowny doo-doo music, but because they didn't give it to him, they're like, This is our Larrakhan, um, watch him shine.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Yeah, like imagine being in a workplace with him. You would be like, he's a king.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

He's a candy teacher, like he teaches the lilies.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

So he's he has his weird wiggle energy.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

He has like the wiggles, like jewelry's out for me. I personally think I would find his energy rather annoying. Yeah. But sure. He's cute. I like his his vibes. I um I liked his hat. Yeah, I liked the hat. The hat was like adding to his personality, yeah, which obviously Kent was just like not feeling.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Yeah, he was jealous of the hat. He didn't he wanted he Yeah, that was that was I can't. Sorry, I'm I'm roadblocked by my eye-rolled disgust of how stupid it was.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Like doing the hat burning was dumb enough anyway, but clearly, and it's been done before. But also, like I was like, so what's the play here?

SPEAKER_01 26:46

You're t television.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Like he was making television.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

And that's what I was like, I was making jokes on the couch. I was like, he's a multimillionaire. It was mentioned. Not me for the money. If if I'd known he was gonna say it so many times, I would have tallied it and I didn't. But I think it was like, we're at four, maybe like maybe more upwards of four. Yeah. Um, and for him to do that, I was like, did he like have the producer said you will only come on the show if you do something very nefarious on day one?

SPEAKER_00 27:11

And then he was like, Okay, they'll put him up to like, what about like betting? Betting the hand, just chucking it, but then revealing it in the way that he did it. It's like, yeah, and I did it because Miles is shitting it. We all hate Miles here, and they're all like, sorry?

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Yeah, and it made him look like an idiot. And straight away the girls are like the coven were like, What is like that with the coverage? And some of them were like, That is psychotic behaviour. And straight away when he did it, I was like, This is a bully, like and wouldn't the smarter play have been like if the hat's pissing you off, throw it down the beach, and then be the one to find it a few days later and be the hero returning to camp and have a new best friend in Little Max.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Exactly. Anyway, stupid tribes enter JLP says there's only one crown, and I was like, What show is this? It's like a crown and scepter by Fierce Drag Jules, uh, and they get straight into a challenge, but it's for like fire making stuff and like an axe and a machete and some bananas.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

So, do you think they have an OH and S issue because they all had fires given to them this year? Yeah, I just thought that whole point, I was like, okay. No, I think I care about the fire logistics. In the in the season where George came back and smashed his face first episode, and then who someone broke their collarbone? Wasn't there like litigation y stuff? Yeah, there was like they were in trouble for that because they meant to like test that everything's safe and two people fucking access themselves on day one.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Yeah. Definitely they've looked into that.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

And they're like, we'll give you fire now. Please don't sue us.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

They have to retrieve this key, it's like six and a half meters in the air. Someone from Brains just like throws is it AJ at someone, throws like a bag at it and it's like. That's right, he got in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

And they were all like, girl. So I have two I have two thoughts on this. Is they their stick was so flimsy they couldn't hit it at first. And then Braun were getting really close because they did the cheerleader thing, which I I said straight away, I was like, fuck the sandbags, just get on the tall bitches shoulders and do your cheer squad pyramid.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Um and he saw them winning, yeah, and they were brains were miles away. I was like, it's it's bullsy to try something, it's better than just like just letting them win.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Yeah, I think everyone was like, because their first challenge, everyone's like trying to show that they're useful and stuff. Um Paulie, friend of the pod Paulie, um, almost gets the key, but his uh pole was rather limp, yeah, I must add. Um if only it was a fisting challenge, and maybe he would have taken the crown.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

I think both sides at one stage had these like tiny little twigs on the end, and I was like, what's that going to achieve?

SPEAKER_00 30:05

It was like me at 3 a.m. in the bathrooms with a stranger at the peel trying to have a sword fight, but yeah, everyone's on like a side. It's just a turkey slap.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

And it's like, yeah, it was that.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Sea slugs, mating sea slugs. I'm loving Paulie this week. We need that like fierce, like Sydney gay energy, and we've got it. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Paramedic as well.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

Have you ever met a straight paramedic? I have not.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

There's a lot of gay ones, they're all hot because they save lives. Yeah, it's hot, they're capable, they're smart. Because that's the other thing about when he was on Brawn. He's on Brawn, right? Uh yes, he's on the body. Yeah, I was like, this is a brain bitch as well.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

It's a brawny job, I guess, because you're like, it's a very physical, physically demanding job. It's almost like being like a fireman, right? A fire person. But he um he is here to play.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

But he I think his social game is good too, because he's kind of playing it cute.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

He's got a little coterie of people around him as well, like him and Noonan are really tight. They were really tight with cat Candy. Candy R. I P. R. I was so devo. She was so cute and little. They get rid of the littlies sometimes really early, and then there's challenges later on where they could just literally throw them over things. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

I was living in this challenge for DJ Kate, who was wearing jeans as a top.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

I mean her denim on denim. I when she came on her talking head, I was like, what is she wearing in the jungle? I squealed. I was like, who is this bitch? She's channeling Justin and Britney back in the 2000s in the double denim outfit. It was mind-blown. Mind blown. Mind blowing. And she's a dancer and DJ. Like the fact that it's Buzz, the fact that it has dancer slash DJ in her little Chiron thing.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

I'm always like, it's so good. It's giving like Paris Hilton, that kind of DJ. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so good. Uh Braun takes out this first challenge. Rightfully so. And then we kind of get a little bit more about Noonan. She's a fangirl. Um knows the game. Knows the game. Um, we meet our fisting fanatic Pauli, who's 30-something from Sydney. Uh Noonan wants to fuck Xana, I reckon.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Oh, because she was embarrassed but not embarrassed by the rapping. Yeah. And I mean, he's like a big hulk, he's a big hulking guy. He's hot. He looked small. He looked like a little short. No, but then when he was standing around the crew. Is he tall?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

I was in. I don't really see height very much because I'm not a tall guy. So everyone's tall.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

He's like throwing around vibes. Yeah. Or maybe that's just my fantasy of Sam. While he raps. While he raps. Um Captain Eyebrows, Nash. Fucking hell. So Channel 10 really wanted us to focus on Nash in this first episode. And to that I say sorry we had to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Not for me. And Noonan called it Nash the Rash. I was like, yes, he's everywhere on my TV screen. I want. But I also found finding an idol straight away kind of cool. Like, but also everyone else is building fucking shelter.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

And you did that straight away. And then deciding to show everyone as well. The peacocking around with the idol was a choice. And but everyone was ignoring it because no one really knows what they look like or knows what he looked like. If I saw that around his neck, maybe in a glancing moment, I'd be like, oh, he was wearing why's he been wearing that ugly thing the whole time? Yeah. Um, and yeah, and then being upset, like he was clearly put out that people weren't noticing. It was so awkward. Talk about cringe.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

That was it was cringe, but I love just the soundbar of I will got an idol five minutes into the game. It's like, okay. Yeah, here we go. Just plucked it out of the a tree. Like, good on him. Absolutely. But then the strategy of like wearing it around your neck was the duh, but again, it was giving maps.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

It was giving maps, it's giving maps, it's giving like attention seeking. Um, and he was talking about how it was such a good, like such good gameplay. And I was like, on what planet is any of this strategic? Also, Zen didn't see like Zen was like, I didn't see him grab it, but he showed me straight away.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

Like, what he's trying to be like Ferris or like King George, but with really gregarious player. But he lacks the charisma of those people.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Yeah. He he seems a little uh slimy and duplicitous in that like when he's like, I'm a salesman, I can sell ice to Eskimos and all this kind of stuff. And because that happened a few times throughout these epis where he was like, I'm really good at puzzles. Like when he oh, what did he say going into immunity? He said, Oh, oh yeah, I'm oh yeah, I'll do the puzzles because the heat will is really getting to me this climate. And they're like, Well, are you good at puzzles? And he's like, Yeah, I am good at puzzles, and then proceeded to not be good at puzzles. That was great.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Um get the witchy intro. Like Laura. So Taro obsess with Laura High Priestess. She's so good. I'm actually backing Laura uh because I've chosen her as my winner pick in the buff comp over on the previously on Australian Survivor podcast. Nice shout out to those girlies. So if she wins, I will win a uh a buff on the show. So I hope she fucking wins.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

I think she has longevity um for sure. She has a gimmick, she's very clued in. Um and I think people will overlook her potentially because already she's being really strategic, but not at least what we're seeing, no one's talking about how strategic she's been.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

She can read those auras. Yeah. She reads Miles has got a polka dot aura, and I was like, yes, yes, she does. Polka dots and clicky clacky heels. And that's when we're kind of introduced to the coven, which is 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

Peak, peak alliance name. Um, you know, it's been great a great 12 months for witches. We had Agatha all along. Like it's been it's been a great, great time. And then now great year to be a witch. And then now we have um and obviously we could I forgot the other match which you can. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yeah, and even on this show, we have a good witch and a bad witch, who we find out about later. Indy is practicing witchcraft or threatening to practice witchcraft, it won't which was wild.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

So I bless Indy uh in many ways, because clearly the pressure was getting to her straight away. But she said that she likes to sit back and watch people and see where the power lies and stuff like that, and then she was pissed off that she wasn't part of these groups that were forming because she was sitting back. Uh-huh. Like, I was like, oh, like you not that you created this, but this is something that you would happy to take advantage of. But when you're being left out of decision, also like five people, like it's not you're in the majority.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

She did the same thing that everyone else did this episode, which was played too hard too soon. Yeah. It's like, don't like go with a few. Just like go with something. First week, I would just be like, I would not be throwing out any names. I'd be waiting to hear one, and then I'd just be like, okay. Yeah. Just wait.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

And and also like being on the bottom of a pack when it's this big is great because that you're the you get leveraged to flip to other alliances all the time. So I yeah, it was it was very weird. And and also she wasn't throwing a name out there, so it's not like she was pissed off at someone that wanted to leave and they weren't listening to her. She was just upset that she didn't get to make the choice. Yeah. Um, but again, maybe the coven girls, I don't know, it's that active listening thing. Instead of like going off the four of them, it's like bring her a like like maybe that effort wasn't happening, and then she was getting really bristly about it.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

I feel like it was just like an age thing with the coven, right? Like she's a little bit older than most of the coven girlies, and so maybe naturally they just didn't bond because you know they were talking about like brat and tick-tock. And um, Indy was like, What? Um I'm a mum or whatever. And so I feel like it was just like a natural exclusion, it wasn't like thing. But the the and they the coven were open, they were like, sure, you're more than welcome when she came and had her whinge. They were like, Great, welcome on board. We need the numbers, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

And then she went and did those girls so dirty, and she was so like uh she was spy, it was a very spiraling kind of anxiety thing where she was like grabbing on to Rich and the boys for safety because but sh because she didn't feel safe, I think. But then like you're in the majority alliance, like even if you're at the bottom of the that alliance, you're not gonna get blindsided when they need your number.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

Yeah. So it was I she done fucked it up. Yeah, um, Kent is giving Alex Perry vibes with that Botox and that shiny forehead.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

I mean it's giving millions of dollars.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Also, what is this outfit he's wearing? It's like a very long low singlet top, which like eight from like circa fucking 2014. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

It was like didn't he have a jacket? Didn't he have a business jacket on as well? I don't know. I don't know. He's a pilot.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Yeah. I'm really glad that the Prang Mantis got stomped.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Oh, that he was so many animals in these first three episodes. Because he was a Komodo dragon. Also, like obscure, and when he's like, oh little butt, and then the toxin sets in blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

I was like the editing on that was impeccable when they were like and there was like cutting to miles, just being like la la la. I'm a fun girl.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

It was like white lotus. And him being like, Oh, but it's too late. The Komodo's taking a nibble and the toxin setting in. Like, I was like, Why do like he'd show how much of a toxic person you are?

SPEAKER_00 40:23

And it's like him self-producing, he's like giving the like exactly what it's like.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

He had a team of writers, he had a team of writers coach him going in and be like, These are all the animals that you need to see.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

Oh, that tame. Yeah, like like the Joker from that other city, or the golden god, but you're gonna be the praying mantis. It's like, yeah, cool. Yeah, just pulling them out of a hat.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

He's pulling them out of a hat.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Um he workshopped it with his branding team. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Yeah, just clearly wanted to be a villain because villains stick around a really long time, but then forgot that also people don't like you if you're the villain and you get you get the boot. Then we get the challenge that uh Nash is like, I'm so good at puzzles, which is never and it was also him that he like I said, he to begin with, he was like, Oh yeah, I'll do the puzzle because this climate's getting to me. And they're like, But are you good at puzzles?

SPEAKER_00 41:13

He's like, Yeah, I'm really good at puzzles. So good. And JLP uh tells everyone that we're pulling our heavy, thick snakes through the tide holes.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Just take, just pull the they're just hauling their snakes around. Just love a heavy snake.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

Kill a python, and then the puzzle happens and it's like, girl. Where was the puzzle?

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Uh also, like you know, doing puzzles under pressure, but like not a great time generally, but have a practice, have a method. He was literally picking, he was literally picking up her pieces, like throwing them on the ground, and like and also like putting them backwards so you can't even see them. Oh my god. Yeah, because you know, brains stormed ahead and like the puzzle was really coming together. Indy was really t two puzzles she was really, really good. This first one as well. Um, they they worked out what it was, um, the they they saw the S and they're like, oh brains, brains. Braun had an opportunity to come from behind seeing what they were doing and come from behind with the heavy snakes. Um, but then it was all it was a giant flub because you had one person trying to do a puzzle and the other person sweating and turning the blocks upside down.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

Yeah. Brains take it uh because of Nash's fumble. And then I mean the two witches completed the puzzle. Yeah, exactly. It was witch on witch, witch on witch uh action over at Braun, then Nash is just full chaos. He's like decided it's candy, which is Dululu. He he kind of he's acting like I'm running this game because of the idol, and I was like, uh the complete opposite, but sure.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

You have to if you walk back into camp on day one with an idol, you have to play that idol if you go to tribal. Like it's like you don't need it yet. There's no you don't have a target back. There is 12 people in your tribe. Like, wouldn't the smarter like if you wanted to make that play and you find an idol so early, wouldn't it be better to try and fucking make a fake idol and wear that around camp and then it's not real? Like, you know what I mean? Like he's not that savvy, but like yeah, and when he was like his reasons for not liking Candy, wanting Candy to go was basically that he didn't like her and didn't like her social game. It's like so you don't I think you just don't like this tiny little hot woman that probably doesn't have a lot of time for your ego right now.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

I think it's discrimination against people with stripper names. Like, seriously. Easy target. Yes, easy target. Anyway, um skater dad is like, oh, he's not cocky enough to play the idol, he's not gonna play it, let's just get him out.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

I was like, you'd be stupid not to split the vote on him and have the majority on him because if he didn't play the idol, um he's going out with the idol, which is great gameplay. And if he does play the idol, it's not in the game anymore, and you have a chance to find it in the next couple of days.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

Yeah, so they want to split it on Ursula. Ursula, yes. And then Zen outs this plan because he's a fucking genius. Um and then Nash is like and it all kicks off.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

And poor everyone in Nash's alliance that they don't even want to be in that alliance. Like Ursula's like, I don't want to be associated with you. Her body language, sometimes when he was talking to her, she could have just turned away and walked into the woods. Like she was just she did not want to be part of this alliance. And how damaging would that be for your reputation to be like openly above table, forced into this alliance with this person that thinks they're controlling the game? Like that yuck. Vote, vote strong.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

Yeah, and at tribal, my girl Paulie is like, uh, hello, we're gonna flush that idol. Yeah, because that's what you do. You flush them. And I think Nash was like, Oh, I have not watched this show before.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I yeah, I it's like he forgot how the immunity idol works. It's like just by wearing it, he'll be in.

SPEAKER_00 45:26

So he ends up playing it, yeah, but he didn't need to because Candy got the majority of the votes anyway.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

And that's because but what was a little bit sinister about that is it is it because he bullied Morgan and uh DJ Dancer. I'm forgetting their names right. Okay, K Kate, DJ K. DJ K. He bullied, he bullied them. Yes. Like it was full on if you don't side with me, I'll turn against you, da da da. And when you're already a little bit nervous, because clearly the two of them are maybe a little pair, it kind of spooked them to think that, oh no, oh, that is the majority, I better go with it then. And that's why poor Candy ended up getting the chop, is because he muscled his way to get those votes.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

I mean, it's probably for the best that he used it because now it's gone. Because if he still if he had it again next time, they would just go him again, and yeah, it would be he'd still be a threat. But he got rid of it now, and now they all just think he's stupid. Yeah, which could have been his game, but I don't think it was.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

Uh episode two was called The Praying Mantis. Stunning.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

That slow-mo of like the charcoal y the charcoaly lip.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Yeah. And oh my god. That was also witchy. Like sucking him, like sucking every finger. Yeah, it was weird. We meet super hottie Kalen. So he's my babe of the season. The the butt on him, the dump drum, no, but Kalen. Like, wow. He's lats as well. Like, he has a big boy.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

But he again, uh so Max is the annoying dog from the pound. He is a really cute Labrador or a golden retriever.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Like, he just Yeah, he's got Labrador energy.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Like, I straight away and he's got a little Liz, like everything, everything, old maze, everything that I'm like, this this is what a hot man is. He's and he also is doing a PhD, guys. On like environmental shit. I was like hot.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

He's a hot nerd. Yeah. He's like talking about as soon as he started talking about drones in Antarctica, I was like hard. Yeah. He's like, this guy's feet in the ass. I was like, take me on the beach. This guy is hot. His little coconut bar. He's like, we've got real coconuts and we've got uh it was a whole bit.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

I was like, sorry? Also committing to the bit, like he had different drinks, it was making jokes, kiss me, levity, yeah, cutie such a cutie, cutie cutie. Uh and he's from Queensland, right? I think. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

He gives Queensland an energy. He does a bit, yeah. Love and the dump truck. Uh over at Prawn.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

Also in Speedo's as well. Speed tick. So so this is the thing Brains wasn't in Ep One enough because I didn't get to see Caitlin and Spin.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

It was all about Zen in Ep One and Nash. Uh over at Braun, Nash continues to be insane. Um, there's that awkward shot of him like trying to like I don't know, adjust his like board shorts or whatever, and they're like, you need a G-banger, Nash. And I'm like, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

No, no, no, no. Um, yeah, and he he also doesn't realise how much he's on the social ads.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

Out, because he's like trying to intimidate Zen. He's like, You flipped, and Zen's like, Well, yeah, I did. And I'm like, You are in no position to like threaten this guy. You won't like you could have gone last night. You should be like tail between your legs.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Yeah, like, oh, I'm sorry that I didn't include you or give you a voice. And like, yeah, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

And then we get the Praying Mantis storyline. Kent is going for Miles, it's an obsession.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

He's obsessed, like TMS with his miles, he's obsessed with his stripper Dungeon Dragons twink.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

Or is it just good old-fashioned Aussie racism? Because I'm like, honey, why are you so obsessed with Miles?

SPEAKER_01 49:05

Australians, it's well documented that Australian Survivor has a whiteness problem. Yes. Um, but I I also think he doesn't so he went in there wanting to be the super fan, and then Miles was out super fanning him, I think, as well. Oh, really? A little bit is the vibe I got because he's like, oh, it's always talking strategy, and I'm not sure. You know so much about the game, he's a threat.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

I think he's looked at the promos from last year where it was all like um Ferris v. Kirby, and I think in his mind he's like, I need to make a r iconic rivalry, yeah, and then I'll get more screen time. So I think he this is the kind of guy he is. I reckon he's like, I'll go for Miles and then they'll put us all over the promos and be Miles V Ken, which they did, yeah, but honey, it only lasted.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

I mean also, is it a rivalry if the other other person doesn't give a fuck? You're not on their radar, they don't think about you. Like for you, it's like a rivalry, it's like day day five of my rivalry. For him, it's day five on the beach. Because the Ferris Kirby rivalry was delicious, like they respected each other, but they were big players, and they they saw each other for what it was at very early onset, yeah. And that I think he's trying to force that energy and it's not happening. Ugh.

SPEAKER_00 50:15

Laura is kind of giving cult leader at this point. I know. And that it's great.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

They're holding hands, they're giving blessings, they're breathing in the in the jungle.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

And Allie, who's the AI girly, she's like, I can tell she's not really that into it. Yeah, but she'll go along.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Yeah. She um again, another like in the background person that I was like, oh wait, I think you've got them, I think you've got the mustard to go to go a long way. Because there's been a few times where people have been talking to her one-on-one. So even though she's part of the coven, she has these like through lines to the boys a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Yeah, she's playing well, I think, from the little we've kind of seen. Yeah. Um, we get a oh, Rich tells us that he's not here to fuck spiders. I'm like, Art Simone, what's that line then? Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

Iconic Australian line, you don't get to use it.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Exactly. He also tells us that he's a self-proclaimed fun guy, which I was like, No. No one fun ever says they're fun.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Um do you know what you are? No, you're not a cool guy if you're calling yourself the fun guy.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

I'm the fun guy. Uh, we get a reward challenge with a flirting puzzle, which I quite like. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

I like the I like that also um s the survivor producers must be so happy that drones exist. Yeah, because they get so many hero shots of the drone, and I f and the end of this puzzle, I was like, that was a good drone shot.

SPEAKER_00 51:42

Good shot, good drone shots, and you could actually see the whole thing. Yes, yeah, it was to win a choice between one big fish or a fishing kit. Yes. Um, of course, Nash is responsible for fucking up the challenge once again. So brains win, and then we get, yeah, Rich being like, oh nah, take the big fat fish, and it's like, oh I mean, like, I get his point, like, oh, you'll never catch enough fish, da-da-da.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

But it's also about like longevity in the game, so that when there is less than less people, the tiny little fish, like everyone can have a tiny little fish.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

But then cut to the dump truck, just like rocking up in camp with like all the fish. And I was like, this guy could not get any hotter.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

He's literally like providing fuzzy, but it's all he also has that like real like that really hot provider trait. Like, you know, like but he's not a douchebag. No, he's doing that because he likes everyone and he wants everyone to be Ralfed. Yeah, he's not doing that being like, and now everyone is playing into my hands.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

This is now a Kalen appreciation podcast. Yeah, and I'm a Kaylin appeared.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

I can't wait. I'm I'll should dream both. Um you know what will happen, which is what happens, most survivors, particularly Australian survivors because Speedos, is I get really attached to the one or two hotties, and when they leave, I'm like, oh I don't believe they let that happen. They'll save George six times in a season, but they won't save who's your hottest of all time.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

I think it's really hard. I think mine is Sean the horse.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

Oh, yeah, yeah, he's a absolute like babe, a mountain of a man.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

But he's kind of too pretty. I like this season that's yeah, that no one's pretty, they're all kind of a bit rough around the edges. It's a rough trade.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

But I I um it it really comes down to their personalities though, too, because sometimes I remember like Simon was so hot in his speeders all the time, but sometimes he'd be such an asshole to people that I'd be like, Yeah, oh Simon, what a kitty.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

Yeah, yeah. No, but Simon's like, he's good chat though. Like, yeah, he's kind of a bit shit, but I I think he also liked being a rat his he also liked being a rat bag.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

He had a good Alex last season as well. As that went on a little bit more and more, um, I liked him more because he was a bit more silly, he was in on the joke, really.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

And then he got his dick out on OnlyFans. So we loved that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

I mean, I as an aficionado of OnlyFans, I did appreciate I appreciated the Australian reality TV highway to the OnlyFans. Again, that that was giving Maths as well. That was the right like the Maths carryover. Maths is taking over all Australian reality TV.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

It is it is actually like the forefront, like every other show is just trying to be MAFs, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

Because they want unhinged personalities doing wild things that will at some point be on OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_00 54:37

Yeah. And I'm okay with that business model. Drop trout. Exactly. Uh Corinne, who I love, she's also a fantastic character. We didn't get too much of her this week, but from what I got, she's like a solid coven member. I think she's actually like co-piloting the coven with Laura. Yeah. She's got her head screwed on. She refers to their shelter as the pig pen.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

The pig pen. And it looked shit. Like I and the fact the girls wanted to do a working bee, and then Rich was a fucking petulant little bit. It's a one day off. It's a one day off. He was literally whisper like stage whispering, which isn't quiet, as the girls were doing it around him. Oh, it's a one day off. I just wanted to lie on the beach. We were just doing coconuts, busting nut up to that. Like the what so also by this stage it was like day five or six. So that they have had rest days as well. And I was like, if sleeping in this shitty shelter every night is crap, putting in a couple of hours work on a beautiful beach like is okay, fucking suck it up. He's like, it's not grand designs.

SPEAKER_00 55:45

I'm like, honey, like just if you've done this show before. Like, if you don't help with the shelter, like people will also like get rid of you.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Asleep on the fucking beach in the day and the night if that's what you want to do. You want to relax, go do that. And and what the girls, the little like leaning TP, the woven roof, I was like, yes, covenant. It was great.

SPEAKER_00 56:07

The coven are doing everything, much like in life. Women, women are doing all of the work.

SPEAKER_01 56:13

Poor Karen is clearly pissed at that. She's like, high like high-powered surgeon, probably encounters a lot of like misogyny and dickhead men in her life. And she's like, I have come all the way to Samoa to be on a reality TV programme, and I'm still doing the same shit.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

Totally. Totally. And she's like uses this as an uh an opportunity to say Rich needs to go. Which I was like, yes, cut nitty.

SPEAKER_01 56:39

And again, it's it goes to show like he must be like we're seeing the bits where he's like quite annoying, but I was like, how annoying is he being because they are all throughout all the episodes the boiler pot on like members of the cover being increasingly pissed at Rich. It's like reaching fever point. It is wild.

SPEAKER_00 56:58

It's so great. And the girlies are just like, luck it in. Uh Indy makes Max a hat with some quite talented skills. Found materials. Found materials. Found materials, challenge. Natural materials, challenge.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

It's giving project early seasons project runway. Um I thought I thought that was really cute. Um, I uh but then again it reminded me that the hat should never have been burnt in the first place. Yeah. It's I also thought it was like particularly malicious. Like because they don't you don't go in with a lot of stuff. You know, you've got a jumper and a pair of socks, and like and to burn someone's fucking hat day one is Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Alright, Russell was trying to be there, yeah. Uh they do a minute challenge, it's like a big wheel, they have to unspool a big wheel, which looked quite dangerous. I was like, someone's gonna fly off. And then they had to collect some sandbags and throw the sandbags. They love sandbags. And there was that one dad, I think Ben is his name. He was piffing those things. Ben is the hairy hot dad. The hairy hot dad. Yeah. Woof. Woof. Him piffing those sandbags. I was like, yes. Yeah, do that to you. Yeah, you're a sandbag. Throw me at a tile. Uh it was a nail biter, but brawn, take this one. So we're seeing brains at the second tribal.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

And I, you know what? Going back to brains versus brawn thing, it allows the producers to stack the challenges a little bit because this was a very brawn-heavy athletic challenge. There was no puzzle, there was no thinking. It was piffin stuff, it was rolling stuff. Like, so on the onset, sometimes you're like, Well, the well, the brains have this one, or the brawn have this one. Um, and but again, you know what it gives? It gives those fucking slow-mo hero shots when like they throw something and it like lands and you get the swelling music.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

This is where we get Miles, who is giving Miles is like Sam Campbell. Yeah, he's like, I'm starting Operation Play It Cool. I'm like, you sound like Sam Campbell right now when you're channeling.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

When it's like Operation Play It Cool, and then he's like sitting at the camp being like, Yeah, am I playing it cool?

SPEAKER_00 59:19

Anyone wanna wanna role play? So cute. All the little montages of Miles like having fun around camp. I'm like, this is my kind of girl.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

Yeah, and I don't know. I it's people have said that oh he's annoying and stuff in in some of the little asides. And obviously Kent finds him quite annoying, but I was like, have like quirky people have uh fun. You don't have to like put you don't have to block them out, you're not on public transport. He's not like talking about God on public transport or something weird at you. Exactly. Like just lean lean in and have a little bit of fun with someone that wants to have fun.

SPEAKER_00 59:55

Yeah, we learn about the VB alliance. Love this. So who is it? It's Logan, Rich, and Laura? Yeah. They're all from Victoria. They love a they love a VB.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:08

Yeah, and again, another person that's just claiming these alliances without really consulting the people in the alliance.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:16

And then just yeah, and outing them at the end of the day. And keep the alliance names. I know we love Channel 10, love a branded alliance, the Spice Girls, the Spice Girls. The Coven. I mean But it's like shush.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

The coven is so good that when he was like the VB alliance, I was like, that's not beating the coven, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

No, it's not. But then we get the uh the indie moment where she fucks her game. Well, truly, she goes up to Max and Rich and she's like, I'm being fucking serious, you guys. I will putty putty your asses if you fucking fuck me.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

And I was like, Whoa. And do you know what? A switch went off in Rich's head and he did not like being threatened.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:59

I think he said especially not by a woman, especially not by a black man.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:03

He was like, he was not here for it, and I was like, damn, you you've signed your death warrant and you didn't realize we were trying to put like force behind this. Um, I wish you'd just sat in the pocket for a vote or two and then could do some of that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

Umfortunately, it is a social game, so it's like if you're playing with misogynist douchebags, you do have to kind of like put like poverty style, like play dumb the girl that's like on a date so interested in the state. For this game, but I was a bit like all of America is rooting for you, Indy. Like we were literally like, we want you to succeed, but I think she just yeah, felt like pushing a corner or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

And I think you were right, she was on the social outs a little bit and was probably just feeling that at all angles. The boys wouldn't have had time of day for her, the coven being a little bit younger, she would have felt a little bit out of sorts. So she didn't have she didn't even have a per person really. But then again, like we don't see what we don't see, but it's like if make yourself have a per person or say to like someone, I don't have a per exactly like Miles Miles is on the Alps with the boys, have a kooky, have a kooky spooky time together.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

Exactly. Karen is like, indie girl, why you fucking us? Like they all the girls find out and they're like, Oh we and then Rita help you. We do you know what to piss them off that Rich delivered the information thinking that he was a white knight, and they were like, Fucking it was it was it would for the coven, it was yeah, eye rolls all round, yeah, everyone was being shit. And then at tribal, I loved this tribal, so it was like yes, B B alliance is kind of outed by Rich, and then the Kent goes Rogue, guess what, everyone? I burnt the hat, and they're all like my best friend's hat. And instead of like wow, they're like, Why? I hate Mars, I want to pin it on Mars. I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

The girls were I think Karen even whispered, like, who would do that? Like it was yeah, uh, I and again, the I I don't think the boys are thinking that smartly for a brain stribe, not realizing that all the women are working together and meeting up together. Like, they're like, oh, they're just washing their hair in the sea, they're doing lady business, like it's like these women are dancing, like dancing around you, and you have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:35

We get like white lotus music while they vote and it's like and then uh yeah, indie cops a lot of votes. There's a few on miles, but like not really. Who is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:46

It would have been Kent and some of the boys, I think, because Kent was calling the shots there. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

But uh yeah, indie cops them all, and I get it, she did she pissed off multiple alliances, which for like, yeah, the first tribal, not a good move. Episode three was called stoic foreshadowing for our bro Zen.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:11

Also, the word stoic in that episode was stoic, he's always stoic misused a little bit sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:17

I was like they should have used the word sublime or he's always sublime. Oh my god. That bro. Yeah, little Zen. He's uh he's been cooking, uh shows us he's been cooking um broccoli and chicken.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Oh no, wait, it's rice and beans.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:35

Rice and beans. Uh over at Brains, Max is like WTF mate about Kent and the hat. They're all a bit confused about that. We meet Logan, who is the Wag love.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

Oh, that intro with the other fellow Wags. And she's like, in the WAG community, there's social hierarchies and data. The Wag world looks stressful. And when she was like, I love getting dressed up, and then they show shots of her on a red carpet in full glam versus like on the beach, no glam. I was like, you look like a different, like she's gorgeous. But I was like, totally the the world that you occupy on this red carpet or drinking champagne in the stock footage with your friends, it you looks you actually look so different in these moments compared to you on the beach being pissed off at Rich.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

Then we meet douchebag of the episode AJ. Can we just I'm sorry, mate. Like, I'm sorry. I he something about his presentation did not land with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

So at first I was like, oh, who's this like cute dorky? I was like, cute dorky guy. No. Um, and then again, I serious journalist, I went on the Wikipedia to find out more about it. No, but as soon as I found out he was a professional poker player, I was like, What?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

Then the present math I've won a hundred million dollars paying poker. Uh okay, how much have you lost? Is that a is that a net gain? I don't Think so. Because if you had net gained a hundred billion dollars, you would not beat it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Wouldn't he be saying in all these confessions, I'm a multimillionaire?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

Like he's he's got tickets on himself. I don't know. He just really rubbed me the wrong way. I look, I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:15

I I love games and I love tabletop games and I love games like Survivor. Poker isn't a very me thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:23

Nice. It's growing.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

Whenever I hear like people are professional poker players, I'm like, that's a I'm like, oh, you're on the spectrum.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Great. Cut to loaded fries. This challenge was great.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:35

I loved these early rewards where they've gone maybe a week without food. And it's like loaded fries. And they're like losing their shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:47

The spread was insane. It was like my heaven. Like they all had a bowl of chipies, and then it was like pulled pork, guac, like every sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

So when when he lifted the coloche and I was like loaded fries, I was like, oh, that's a bit sad. And then I always think about Survivor Food on the island. Like, what's it gonna be? Like, what's the reheating situation? But when they pulled up at the fries bar, I was like, they didn't say it was a fries bar.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

It was shake.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:11

I want to recreate it next week, one night during the week. Like make my own loaded fries bar. But you're right, it's like they haven't been starving long enough. No, it should have just been like, I don't know, an apple or something. An apple. A protein bar.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

Don't they usually like give salt and pepper and spices this kind of early reward thing? But instead they're like, here's some fries over it just shitting yourself on the beach after not eating it for a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:34

Oh my god. Can you imagine the loaded fries? Shit. But no, Jeff, Jeff Ropes over on uh American Survivor, he's giving them like it's like you've won like a paper clip. Like it's literally, you know Use it as a flint. Yeah, and they're like really fucking them over there. Um who wins this one? Braun. Braun.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:56

Braun on the beach with FRI. Because we get Paulie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

I loved this. Paulie gets the map on the thing. Tabbing of the lip. Honey, she fucking serves.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:10

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:10

And how smart to open up to someone about because Noonan clocks him. Noonan's really smart. And she's like, what did you do? He's like, I was just hanging up my jumper down the beach. She's like, girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

Well they're and they're they're tying. We obviously we haven't explored the storyline of their relationship. But again, in those little particularly with Nash being an absolute thunder, thunderous personality, the two of them are often near each other, being like, This bitch.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:38

This bitch. But he was so smart, he's like, Oh, I found a clue. But he's actually already gone and snatched the idols. This like the coin.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

This is what you do. Some truth to build a relationship.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:51

And then if he wants, he's he's left it so later on he can go, oh my god, I found the idol, you know, like he can tell her about that later if he wants, but at the moment he's keeping her like semi-in the tent, which is smart.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:04

And it also means that he gets to test her um uh test her relationship with him because if she outs that he found a clue, still not everyone knows that he has the idol, but if she covers for him and it gives him a reason to go and look for the idol, he knows they're tight. Like it was a very good play from Paulie.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:24

At that challenge, though, Zen fucked his finger and he's like, I don't care, I'm stoic.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

It's giving drag race. It's giving, it's giving Eureka's knee. Like the the challenge was also the two again, the the two speedo hotties colliding.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:44

Collide it was dump truck and hip hop, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:47

Yeah, and it was um they they the smack of their bodies afterwards, they had like red marks across the body.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:58

Those challenges would terrify me. Like, imagine they're like, now you've got to like wrestle someone and we're filming you. I'll be like, oh not in a sexy way. Can we do it in a fun way? Like, I don't want to get yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:09

And the the the finger thing that happened, yeah, like looking at those the fingering. The fingering. Um that should have been the name of the episode, not stoic. Fingering. Um the fingering. Um he was just asking for that to happen, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

Like it just That's why it's like m Bravado will always do this. Like, chill out. Um, so he rocks up at the immunity challenge in like a full cast, and he's like, I thought he was joking because he's the way he delivered, he's like, Oh, I've been pulled from the game. I was like, Oh, okay. But he looked like he was upset.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

He he had been crying, he had little red eyes. I we'll we'll probably see him come back. Like he had that kind of he has the kind of personality that he made enough of an impact, I think. He looks good on camera in a speedo. Yes, they uh he he he definitely left before the the storylines that he could have happened, and I think they would bring him back, and that adds to like the underdoggy, like hip-hop MM 8 miles story coming back. Why not?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:13

Yeah, um at this challenge, my dream daddy PD gets on the slingshot, shows us how it's done.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

Busts nut after nut.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:22

Not after nut is busted, and it sends brains back to tribal. So we get another just like chaotic scramble on the beach at the brains tribal.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

Yeah, the amount of times people send this is what it's gonna be, don't waver, and then they wave it.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:41

Wild. And AJ, so I think this is why I'm hating AJ so much because he's he's trying to go down gender lines. He's got in his mind he's like, oh, the girls have the coven, so therefore we need to like retaliate. I'm like, why don't you join the covenant? Join the coven. I don't know, it's like be smarter, like don't just be like, let's take them out.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:59

When when the coven took out Indy and they know that Kent doesn't like Miles and Kent it maybe Kent's a bit socially awkward or whatever with some of the boys. Um sorry, that Miles is a bit socially awkward with some of their boys. Why aren't you bringing him into the coven? He plays D D. He's gonna pretend to be a witch. I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

Justice for Miles. No, but AJ's annoying. He he says to us, Oh, I just want to show off and make a big move. I'm like, yeah, get in line, honey. There is so many other people here doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:28

Also, these aren't big moves.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:29

He says some things as well where he's like, I thought there was gonna be smart people out here. I'm like, oh, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:35

And now you just he actually said a couple of times and it made me go, Ugh, don't think like that. You're gonna shoot yourself in the foot. Where he said, I didn't expect to be the smartest person on the beach and stuff. And I was like, that is a self-fire way to make yourself be unlikable, and you're also gonna miss things. Like if you think that everyone is not as smart as you, it means the knife can get you, like they're gonna stab you in the back because you won't see it coming.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:00

Well, he's he's messy, he's messy as fuck. He tries to convince Max and Ally and the coven to like vote for Logan. And I'm like, why are they gonna vote for their own alliance member this early? And also it's like they're all just like nah, mate. And then so he backpedal when they say no, he has to backpedal and be like, Can you not tell anyone that I said that thing? And it's just like it's the bar, it's the streis hand effect.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:24

So them nothing to see here, nothing to see here. Don't put me on Google Maps, yeah, yeah. But the the um the whole lead up to that with him and Allie. So Allie thinks that he's gonna throw Rich's name out there, yeah. And it it felt like two people on a date connecting but misunderstanding all the signals because Allie fully was like, I'm ready to get rid of Rich now, and it was her best mate. And then she would the WAG was in conversation, so he couldn't drop the name at times as well. Like it was it was a clusterfuck, like it it was it was great too, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:01

Yeah, so thank you for that, AJ.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

I did appreciate that, and you being messy, and he went again. He went from being this cute lanky boy, like so tall. Yeah, he was cute, he was cute in the background, exactly. Um, and I was like, Oh, who's this? Like, he's gonna be a data scientist or something like that. And then he was like the equivalent of a brainstjock being like, I'm a poker player, I'm the smartest person on the booth.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

He was MAPS, all the guys on MAPS like I'm so smart, I'm so strong. And Kent is the same. At at Tribal, Kent is like tooting his own horn yet again. Um, they speak in code about AJ. I was low-key hoping for an AJ blanket.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:40

Inside, but unfortunately, didn't I think I think I think he's put a very big target on his back.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:49

Yeah, um he's outed himself as being sneaky and like trying to meddle.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:53

Yeah, and it's not it's also not good in Australian Survivor to be the sneaky person early on because the mateship floats into the beach and everyone's like, sneaky people aren't allowed to be mates, get rid of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:07

But we got rid of smug ass Kent, which made me very happy. His face when they started reading out his name, his his votes, I was like, his dreams are evaporating. And AJ was spared by the girlies, so he could come crawling back to them. True. Maybe who knows? I don't know. Maybe this week. Maybe next week. Thank you so much for joining me, Max. That's a random. What a lovely start to the season. It's gonna be if this is how it's starting. I know. Where's it gonna go? Where the fuck is it gonna go? Coven all the way. We're team coven, clearly.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:39

Yeah, obviously. Obviously.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:41

Um hopes and predictions for the rest of the season.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:44

I really um I want Leggy Morgan to do really well. Um, and also DJ Kate. So I'm kind of I'm kind of wanting them to become part of the coven, is what I want. Like a merged coven. A merged coven. Yeah. Because I also feel like a lot of the girls in this season maybe have a similar vibe where they could form the much wanted but never comes about girls alliance, because that happened this yeah. Yeah, like in these first three episodes, girls alliance and then broken straight away. So I I'm hoping for like a post-merge coven style 2.0.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:23

I want Paulie in the mix there too, because I know I'm backing Paulie hard. We've we've never really, yeah. We need it, we need a gay win. And I think Paulie is playing very well. I was very impressed by the idol uh situation.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:38

The prop manipulation of like dabbing one's lips to look at the map and then just like scrunching it up was like I was like, this is clever, clever, clever, clever man.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:48

So I'm back in Paulie McGovern. Well, I'll see you soon, Doll. Ciao. Bye bye. Thank you for listening to The Cringe is Real with me, Sam Cramean. If you would like to support the show, rate, review, share, and tell your friends about it. You can also find me on Instagram and Twitter. Links are in the show notes.